Joris Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Some Then and Now pictures I made in Arnhem and Oosterbeek: The Oosterbeek-laag or Lonsdale church as it was in 1944 after the battle. The church was the eastern side of the perimeter at the Rhine. http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Church1944.jpg[/img] As it is now: http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Church2005.jpg[/img] The Hartenstein hotel, the 1st Airborne headquarters during the fighting, as it was in 1944: http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Hartenstein1944.JPG[/img] As it is now, as you can see there is a lot of vegetation which does not allow me to make the shot from the correct angle: http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Hartenstein2005.JPG[/img] Arnhem: The Utrechtseweg in Arnhem, this was one of the routes in Arnhem towards the Bridge, this picture was taken on Tuesday September 19th. The bodies in front are British paratroopers. http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Utrechtseweg1944.jpg[/img] The same road as it is now, not much has changed, or so it seems from this angle. The houses on the left side of the road were mostly rebuild after the war. http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/Utrechtseweg.jpg[/img] The Elizabeth Gasthuis hospital, this hospital was right in the frontline during the first 3 days of the battle. During that time it switched hands a couple of times which caused the 1st Airborne the loss of practically all it's medical staff. http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/ElizabetGH1944.jpg[/img] As it is now, recently it has been rebuild on the inside and it's now an apartment complex. http://nieuwint.net/images/cdv/thenandnow/ElizabetGH.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Joris - this is more than first class. I adore the now and then shots - I can't get enough of them and I think it is something we should have on the front page of the new site - what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 excellent stuff :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Great stuff ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoomer Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Brilliant - really well done. Just shows, even if a building/location looks old you still cant imagine what events actually took place in/around it... that hospital shot is amazing. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Nice one Joris!!!! I've printed off the Arnhem ones to show the old man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I have always wanted to do a now and then of Dorset as we had the Americans here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 On my bike to our scouting headquarters I drove past the Utrechtseweg and the hospital and man did I have chills tonight... Did not look at these photo's for quite a while.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Very sad to see men on the pavement like that, wonder who they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 This I can look up for you and I would if I wasn't so tired and had so much beer... I promise I'll look it up for you tomorrow, it's in the Market Garden Then and Now book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 Market Garden Then and Now (Vol II), page 413: Returning to the higher road Jacobsen (German photgrapher) proceeded up the Utrechtsestraat to catch up with Kampfgruppe Möller which by now was engaged up ahead. In front of No. 33 he photographed two dead british soldiers on the pavement, probably thinking they were victims of a fight that has just ended. In actual fact these men are of C Company of the 2nd Battalion who had been killed here two days before. When Frost's battalion was advancing to the bridge on sunday, Major Victor Dover's C Company had been detached from the main force in order to seize the local German Headquarters building on the Nieuwe Plein in the center of town. However, as the company advanced along the Utrechsetraat after dark, it was stopped by German machineguns firing down the street. These dead soldiers are said to be Lance-Corporal William Loney (at the rear) and Private Norman Shipley (in the front), both No. 8 Platoon, who were killed at this spot while acting as lead scouts for the company. Strangely enough, today neither Loney nor Shipley has a known grave. Also, official records give their date of death as September 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Thanks Joris, very sad. I was going to ask about their graves. I think we need to organise a 'battlefield tour' with you as our guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 Very sad indeed The strange part is that I drive up the Utrechtsestraat, then down the Utrechtseweg past the hospital, then left on the Zwarteweg where Urqhuart spent a lot of time hiding and Lathburry got hit at least twice a week and hardly think about it. On that road the offensive capabilities of the 1st Airborne were crushed and literally dozens were killed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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