Matt paint

[No Signals]

I came across this on the WD bike forum and in case it isn't linked to elsewhere on the forum here I thought it would probably be of significant interest to many owners of older vehicles who might have paintwork to do/re-do. I'm not a paint chemist so can't comment on the content as discussed but it does seem to be worth supporting if you are going to be going down the repaint route any time in the near future. to summarise, basically it seems that with enough support a mnufacturer might be willing to produce 'old fashioned' lead based matt paint again.

 

 

http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=3155626639&frmid=16&msgid=1241147&cmd=show

[Richard Farrant]

The chap in that link says he is having trouble with paint lifting off, no matter who the supplier is, as I understand it. Well as I regularly use, paint on restoration work, I have not had this problem and have had no issues with any of the different makes used for a good many years. These include Firwood, International and HMG. Always use a semi-matt finish and once cured and weathered in, it looses its sheen and goes slightly more matt, which is good. Very durable and any oil on it can be cleaned off without it leaving any marks on the paint.

[Kufra Kiwi]

Important to always apply 2 coats of gloss (for weather/rust prevention) beneath the matt finish.

[Lauren Child]

Interesting Stuff

 

Red lead is quite readily available through a lot of paint suppliers (not to be confused with red oxide paints which use a zinc oxide base) but not one of the manufacturers I have spoken to are willing to pay for the licence to keep lead chromate which is used in production of green lead based paints.

You may not be aware that you can legally (in the UK ) still buy lead based paint products as long as your vehicle is pre 1978 (this applies to any other contemporary paint for your vehicles including cellulose) To purchase the paint you need to go to English Heritage's website and type in leaded paint in the search box and if you browse around you will find a downloadable form to hand to your paint supplier (basically it is just to give English heritage some idea of the quantities and amounts of older paints being used) But in reality the paint supplier rarely asks for one so the only problem is finding someone who will manufacture it!

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So is anyone still using Red Lead primer on the forum here?

[Lauren Child]

Blimey, it looks like he's right.

 

Code of practive available here - http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/professional/advice/advice-by-topic/buildings/maintenance-and-repair/paint-legislation-historic-buildings/ (download the pdf on the right hand side)

 

This Code of Practice applies to any member selling paint which does not comply with the Paint Product Regulations1 to customers who intend to use the materials when restoring or maintaining vintage vehicles or historic buildings. All members of the (trade association) must comply with the following:

 

1. Non-compliant paint to be used to restore or maintain vintage vehicles2 or historic buildings shall only be sold either direct from the manufacturer or via a trade outlet.

 

2. Non-compliant paint shall only be sold to customers if:

a) the quantity the customer seeks to buy is strictly limited (see below), and

b) the customer gives his or her name and address and shows proof of these details, and

c) the customer provides evidence that the paint will be used for the stated purpose. In relation to vintage vehicles, such evidence should show that the vehicle is over 30 years old at the time of sale of the paint (in the form of documents such as the vehicle log book, or photographs) and a brief written note of the parts of the vehicle to be painted. In relation to historic buildings, such evidence should include evidence of the building's historic status and the requirement (e.g. from the local planning authority) that it be painted using paint of a type or colour that is only available in non-compliant paint form.

 

3. If the seller has reason to suspect that the customer is also buying non-compliant paint from other outlets, the seller shall ask for written details of such purchases made over the previous 12 months to ensure there is no overall breach of paragraph 2a).

 

4. The information provided for each sale under items 2 and 3, together with details of the paint bought, shall be kept on the premises where the paint is sold for a minimum of two years, by way of a record which can be checked by the regulatory authorities.

 

In the context of this Code, "strictly limited quantity" means the amount of paint strictly required to undertake the specific restoration and maintenance work declared under items 1 and 2c) and no more. Exceptionally, it may be appropriate to allow slightly larger quantities to be sold to specialist vehicle restoration companies in the following circumstances: the restoration company wishes to buy enough of a commonly-used paint in order to hold small stock on site (i.e. small enough to be strictly limited in terms of the scale of the business); it keeps a record of the vehicles and vehicle parts painted and amount of paint used; and it sends a copy of the record to the seller at the time of ordering new stock or once every 3 months, whichever is the sooner. (The "strictly limited" requirement is in accordance with recital (11) and Article 3.3 of EU Directive 2004/42/CE3.)[/Quote]