Richard Farrant

They probably had dinner cooking on the galley and were avoiding a tight turn :rofl: Many years ago, there was a Sunderland on display at the old flying boat base in Pembroke Dock. We were able to walk through it, and it was the old galley that fascinated me at the time, but considering the hours they could have been up, it was a neccessity. This aircraft was later moved to Hendon I think.

Ashley, RR Services are advertising a part finished restoration of a Mk2 Churchill, on Milweb at this time.

ever heard of the Gnomes of Zurich ? :-D

All nominations for the Bart Vanderveen Challenge Shield should now be sent to either Jim Baxter (IMPS) or Preston Isaac (MVT). I sent my choice in to the CMV editor as originally publicised, but apparantly they have now handed it over to the IMPS and MVT to run. You do not have to be a member of either club, to vote.......so get your votes in for your choice. For more info on this go to; http://milweb.net/features/bart_vanderveen.php

Mark, was that photo taken at West Malling air show, the Great Warbirds, back in the 80's?

Mike, Rather unlikely to have been an ex-army one as they were never badged as AEC. This vehicle does not have the towing hook on the front bumper and also a different air cleaner, the army models had a large Cyclopac filter (on the nearside) that had compressed air blasting at intervals through it. To answer your previous post, the last model designation, LD55, was also 10 yard dumptruck, if fitted with the quarry body ( as army ones), if a coal body was fitted, capacity was 20 yard. These were struck capacities, if heaped, they were 12 and 24 respectively.

Phil, 330 is not refering to any ISO or SAE viscosity, it is a number denoting viscocity at 100 degs F in Centistokes, with prefix OMD meaning Oil, Mineral, Detergent. As you say, the chart is just to put viscosities in to context, no problem comparing SAE as we have said recently, an engine oil can be specified in place of a gear oil, but not vice versa.

Mike, The model number LD55 did not come along until everything was rebranded with the Leyland badge. It was originally the AEC 690 Dumptruk, with AV690 engine. The first army ones appeared in early 1970's, cab and chassis built by Thornycroft, but carrying the Aveling Barford badge, this also had the 690 engine and I am sure it was still refered to as a 690 Dumptruk ( on its data plate ). A second contract came along and they were refered to as 760 Dumptruk, still carrying the Aveling badge, but built by Scammell, with the 760 engine. The 1977 Leyland Scammell Military Specials sales brochure showed in-service army Dumptruks clearly altered to show Leyland badges. These were a favourite of mine and a pleasure to work on.....and drive, with the gearlever straight into the top of the box. Had to rebuild several engines where rods had come through the block.

I think you are misunderstanding what OMD330 is.........it is a SAE50 engine oil.......so how can it be "beyond the top......" ?

Mike, ISO (International Organisation for Standardization) is the system used to classify Industrial lubricants. SAE is used to classify automotive engine and gear oils. ISO cover such thing as hydraulic oils, etc.

There was a set on Ebay recently, but not for Scammells, they were narrower and would have been for the 3 ton 6x4 range of lorries, inc.the Austin K6.

Thanks Bernard, in my cluttered up memory, I thought that was what they were. There was one at the shows several years ago, owned by someone from around Gloucestershire area I think.

Were'nt these Iveco ambulances trialled by the UK military, against the Land Rover 130 ? (and Land Rover won the contract) :confused:

Ted, I knew that bodywork was familiar and also noted rear light, reflectors and number plate arrangement was very un-military and also post war. These trailers were matched up with the NHS Leyland Beavers of early 1950's model. A number of these lorries made it into preservation, but rebodied as flat platform. It is obvious now that surplus equipment was used to make up this power trailer for the National Health Service, hence a mix of Air Ministry and WD items. It is very unlikely that this combination of trailer and genny was in RAF service, as Ted has also pointed out.

The trailer as already pointed out, has an Army census number dating from around 1944, give or take a year I would think. Trailer was part of a contract for 5 ton, 4 wheeled General Service cargo type and made by Eagle Trailers. From looking at the body work details, I would say this trailer has been rebodied to house the ex-RAF generator, but from the view of the rear, I would doubt it was converted for the military, my thoughts are perhaps for the Post Office Telephones, BBC, etc. The plate showing P & S Motors of Teddington..................they would appear to be still in business, maybe someone there could throw light on this, I am guessing that it was rebodied by them for its new role in the 1950's.

Not exactly an advert................. I came across a small surplus parts box, labelled with a RAF part number, packed in 1944, some BA screws made by DeHavilland Aircraft Co. On opening the packet, I was surprised to see that the inner box was made of card from Ryvita cartons, with helpful tips on how to enjoy your crispbread !

Merchant Navy Class ?

Gritineye..........more like Eagleeye :-D...........I did not see that date, but even 18 months ago that would have been a lot cheaper than Morris oils of those grades. Worth enquiring.

Hi Daz, Got it in one ! OC600 is equvalent to SAE140. OMD330 is equivalent to SAE50 detergent engine oil, the army used it in gearboxes, as viscocity was close to a straight SAE90 (not hypoid or EP) oil, which they did not have in their inventory. I have just found a company website in Southampton and they have these oils at half the price, they list a Classic 50 engine oil and straight SAE90 and 140 gear oils, check it out; www.cplubricants.co.uk/classic.htm

Daz, Having been using these oils in military use for many years, and after in preservation use, I have the Defence technical spec. and can assure you that OC600 or as it was called earlier, C600...is a SAE140 gear oil. I do not know where Morris gets the viscocity 400+ from. Here are the details; OC600 has a viscocity at 100 degs C of 27-32 Centistokes The SAE Viscocity Classifications show 140 gear oil at 100 degs C with a Min. of 24 and a Max of 41. OC600 falls within that standard. OMD330 is a SAE50 engine oil..............Morris AG90 is a straight 90 gear oil, they also produce a SAE50 engine oil for vintage vehicles. Just like to make it clear in case any one thought the designation OMD330 was a gear oil........it is not.

Your words remind me of an incident I saw once. It concerned a Ferret Mk2, belonging to a regimental museum in a Commonwealth country and crewed my ex-members of the regiment. We had just got back to barracks and parked the vehicles up, when there was a shout, we found one of these guys, hanging upside down from the top of the Ferret. He was shutting the turret hatch, stepped back and got the leg of his coveralls hooked over the aerial mount and lost his balance. Luckily it was only his pride that was hurt.

Here is a S26 dumptruck, at Arromanches. The Sappers were erecting the staging for the Queen, 1994.

Les, An awful thing :shake:.......my favourite was the Aveling Barford, which was actually built by Thornycroft, and the last ones, Scammell.......afraid no photos, but guess you have

I'm thinking Cromwell..........Adrian will know for sure :confused:

Thats the one, Mike