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High up near the crest of Crigdon Hill in the centre of the Redesdale impact area the submersible Centurion Mk7 probably 43BA64. probably placed on the range at the same time as the comres Comet 19ZR17 formerly on Windy Hause AT Range. it has been mentioned on another thread so some photos are repeats. The sheet steel sealing rim around the open turret. note the dexion bracket- where would the 1960-70s British Army have been without that wonder of grown up meccano that Dexion was.:nut: The open turret with dummy hatch positions in mild steel angle iron. Sealed up ammunition hatch.

Most of it is general clean up -change of weapon types -for example Roman Road and Quickencote-Windy Haus were primarily BAT A/T Ranges which fell out of use as MoBat ConBat and WomBats were withdrawn from Regular and TA use. The airfield was a Cold War set up and had become obsolete -the Talibs don't have an air arm:D of course some of the more interesting stuff was recovered as opposed to cleared for scrapping. There is some pressure by the tofu mafia and some efforts have been made to placate them for example, probably still viable and useful concrete buildings-structures and old protective structures have been cleared it "enhance" the "National Park" element of the area -these include the old troop shelter South of ATGW2, the OP tower at the redundant Carrick Height Grenade Range and the storage hut at Roman Road site -which was too obstrusive for English Heritage. Time expired targets the "chassis" of a stollie HiAb supports the hull pan of a 432 -I suppose floor plate of the 432 could have been positioned as a target but as with the Saladin behind -which was fairly intact and recognisable, there was a need to reduce the number of Afvs on the "RAF" range. General cleaning up of the old aircraft range and a few other sites produced several piles of reduced junk which included various recognisable airframe parts including the taill section of an Westland Whirlwind A/S rescue lots of other junk, corrugated iron, bomb retard tail sections and for the observant in the foreground the exhaust off one of the Windy Hause M47s Steve

Andy- they still should be in the flash card in your camera unless you cleared it. When you download them from your camera copy a separate copy into a new file -it is simple to do click on File: new: folder: and it will make a second folder. Then copy your pics into this 2nd folder and you can do what ever you want to the pics in the original folder without the worry of destroying the originals- just like keeping the Negs safe in the old days. The previously mentioned Micro soft Picture Manager will resize: crop: change brightness-contrast and midtones: and lots more and if you change the name in File -Save as: you will still have the original if when promted you don't save any changes to the original saved file. Additionally anything done in Micro-Soft Picture Manager can be undone in Edit: drop- down but only as a single item -you can't undo more than one action -you can only undo the last action -if you muck it up just exit - click No: when prompted by save function and start again. There is also Photosphop which is for the more computer literate -it's very good but for posting on forums it is not really necessary to use anything beyond Micro-soft Picture Manager -I've used it for all the pics I've posted on this forum.

Have you got a reference for that? I was under the impression that the standard 66mm Smoke bomb discharger various designations Peek 66mm No1- No21 and Peek 22, 76, FVG66 etc are classed as fire-arms under FAA being a device capable of propelling a projectile by explosive means. They throw smoke grenade No5 -but could also throw a No15 WP, CS or fragmentation grenade if there was a need. The propellant is Electric Fuze- although some later ones have a electrically fired firing pin system (but whether this is current on british models I'm unsure) it has a range of about 75 metres. I have been told that original 66mm dischargers fitted to the majority of British AFVs have to be DE-ACed by drilling through the lower barrel beneath the receptical for the electric fuze pellet (and possibly blocking the barrel to prevent insertion of a grenade). Obviously other smoke dischargers such as the wartime 2inch smoke discharger is a 50 mortar and the 4inch discharger is a very short SMLE rifle and would have to comform to DE-AC. The only type of smoke emiter that would not require DE-AC would be the box style fitted to Sherman Cromwell and Churchill -even then a smoke grenade wouldn't be allowed. Steve

Oh good then they don't need recovery:D the reference was from the Tanklink 73 article -so much for factfiles:nut: Thanks for the clarification Steve

I think the Commanders and the loaders cap badges are the same but IMO the definition of the photos is too poor to ID the badge accurately so I didn't try - that's why I just stuck to IDing the tanks:-D Perhaps if posting continues on this thread it should be moved to either tracked vehicles or uniforms where others may find it

The localation does seem to be an error especially as there are places in eastern BC that could have facsimily to the lansscape at Stonehenge- but does it matter:???. Perhaps Krakatoa shifted after the explosion:rofl: To that list can be added the M24 shown and I'm fairly sure a M4 with HVSS is in the movie neither is appropriate to September 1944 but like the Leos and the AMX13 -it doesn't matter it's the accuracy of story that counts- if Arhnem was liberated and the Paras were rescued at the last moment we would have something to complain about. Inappropriate tanks are un -avoidable for the most part was is unforgivable is the little things -incorrect or inappropriate berrets and failing to take heed of the films resident military experts -for example sloppy saluting -really annoys me.

Nice photos -it does need some TLC though, As regards the sunken Armoured D7s -it is said that none still exist so it might be historically worthwhile to recover, while not the same thing, but often lumped together there is a D8 BARV in Australia.

Now Eddy you realise for it to be classed as a carnival float -means you're going to have to dress up as a clown:D:D

. Oh dear:shocked: -it's quite simple the stage designers often use scouts who come to the UK (in the case of guys from BC) scout old buildings etc and photograph stuff they also use lots of ye olde photos:-D to "get things right". I would have to defer to others whether English educational terms were used in B.C but I can certainly remember older people from eastern Canada using terms such as elementary education and even grammar school -but I'm re-calling people who had their education in the 1920s if not earlier. I am sure that those educated in Qebec at that time will have used terms similar to those used in France -but as a kid I was unable to decipher what was said. But anyway it's gettng a bit overly pedantic as Adrian has already said There's certainly no need to Nuke anywhere:cool2:

they are Centurion probably Mk5s with 20pdr guns

The term "Elementary School" existed until at least the 1944 Education Act, Elementary education was commonplace up to that time and beyond, it was education in a single local authority funded estabishment for children aged 5 to 14years. Even when I was in primary school 1959-64 our school had a residual elementary component mainly girls aged 11-14 who were deemed too thick for even secondary education -system was by then Primary [infants -Juniors], Secondary modern and Grammar. In 1964 the system changed again becoming Primary and Comprhensive -this eliminated the above mentioned residual elementary component. It is not uncommon to still see elementary school names plaques on older school buildings, esp. in rural areas -I've even seen a "Board School" . Steve

A picture of Saurian another 43rd Btn RTR Churchill Another 43rd Btn tank this photo is also originally a colour print and was used as the cover pic of the Airfix Magazine in August 1967 a the begining of the Churchill tank serialisation articles. Note how the Tank number has been deliberately obscured in both photos -I don't have a note of the number on this tank. Another view of Thorncliffe/Shaver probably it too was originally from the colour stock Steve

That's because you think it's a GPMG:D. I actually thought the re-tracking was for the Centaur rather than the Charioteer/Cromwell which is in effect complete or should be -have you got a starter motor yet? Steve

:idea:Probably the transmission and motor out of a Datsun 100 -one driving each track:rofl:

Try this site too http://beute.narod.ru/ look at the photos of a British A13 Mk4 in use in Russia! The Germans used foreign weapons of all types -considering they nicked a whole load of stuff from the Czechs even before the outbreak of WW2 proper. The convoluted ammunition supply required by the Wehrmacht finding a splash of diesel wouldn't be that much of a problem -after all Otto invented the Diesel and Korting further refined it before WW1. There were also several heavy trucks used by the Wehr that ran on diesel most notable the Man 4500S and the Mercedes-Benz L4500A. Steve

The casting marks on Shermans tend to be specific to the casting manufacturer and the Standard Numerical List of parts -it would not help in IDing an Israeli Sherman as they were often rebuilt from any components they had available. Some Sherman had a manufacturers (USA) serial number stamped into the tow horns -but again not of much use -it might tell you the ID of a particular tank hull but considering by then the turret, transmission and motor probably came from another tank it is a moot point. Israeli tanks had a number begining with the Hebrew letter צ followed by a number -sometimes this was welded onto the glacis -but it was often ground off when the tank was sold by the military (it might be possible to find the original tank numbers or even acid etch the welded number sufficient to read it). There is also a number preceeded with letters צר which denotes an item ordnance -so may be on the external gun barrel, mantlet or gun turret in some tanks. Be aware Hebrew is writen from right to left. although the number is denoted left to right so the letter(s) actually look like a suffix. As to the type of the tank it is an M50 -a 75mm gun tank sometimes called M50 Isherman -rarely called and IMO inaccurately called a Super Sherman. Israeli designations -which can be confusing are M1 -this is any M4 sherman irrespective of type armed with the original 75mm M3 gun and also the 105mm howitzer type (said it was confusing:nut:) M1 is also the designation given to the M4A1(76) and M4A1(76) HVSS first used during the 1956 war by the Israelis the name Super Sherman was used at this time and was most probably a term used by the French for the 76mm gun versions. M1 covers any tank nominally of original configuration -although most israeli M1 had radial engines irrespective of original type for example M4A4 Sherman V were radial engined -probably because most were French rebuilds. M50 Isherman -(Israeli Sherman) -your tank, comes in numerous versions (try using the forum search for M50- I've put up some photos of the various types fairly recently) M51 Isherman fitted with a shortened version of the French 105mm F1 as fitted to an AMX30 tank- thes are mostly ex M4A1(76) tanks although several were built on M4A3(76) tanks. Steve

2 Saladins in the Hindberry area -quite dificult to pick up as targets from either ATGW2 or 3 and were removed in 2002 Gunless Saladin Both A/C were in reasonable condition despite there long exposure the one below having taken a hit or two near the turret ring. Steve

But then "well done that man" for whoever recognised the villan from the CCTV amd bought him to book -at least some-one is doing their job and although I am an un-reconstructed hang 'em and flog 'em supporter -what can society do to resolve this problem of low level drug crime? Some alot higher up the food chain (including the British Govt. supported head of certain countries) are doing very well out all the missery it causes.

It was still "Kings", Kings Royal Irish Hussars served in Korea until December 1951 when they handed over to 5th RIDG HRM King George VI died on 6th February 1952.

Back plates of Israeli Sherman An M50 having lost one of its doors- note the circular blanking off plate. An Israeli modified Cummings 460 M32 ARV note how this one although with nominally the same configuration as the M50 has an exhaust pipe fitted:confused: Probably others too -just can't find the other photos.:-( As a comparision a Standard M4A1 and a Sherman V (M4A4) The reason I thought the M50 it is probably made from an M4,M4A3 105 or M4A3 75(w) hull is the lack of applique on the hull which precludes M4A2 75 with 47° glacis although it still could be a hull off a M4A2 76(W) or a M4A3 76(W) the Israelis spread their net far and wideand certainly had M4A3 76(W) supplied along with M4A1 76(W) by the French -the M4A3 76(W) were peculiar in that they had Radial engine so would be by default an M4 76(W) a type which was scheduled for production in 1944 but dropped.

Chances are it was an M4A3(w)75 or a M4 or M4A3 105(w) but it doesn't follow that the HVSS is original and the tank could have been originally fitted with VVSS. The turret may give its origins away on examination for example if there is the remenants of a rear roof ventilator it wil be a 105mm gun type -but turrets and hulls were not kept together during rebuilds so a M50 could be fitted with the turret originally fitted to a M4A4 -even though the hull is a late 75mm model.

yes interesting looking tank odd colour scheme and markings though:cool2:

And at least two advanced experimental AFV projects -one of the T95 series and the MBT70 project. Steve

Yep certainly does need a good thump -my inclination is he might meet some-one ex service who is serving in the police -but these days it's not advisable to use summary justice on a Sc***. Note he came equiped to steel as he had pliers or something to cut the string/chain- but I should be careful I need my pliers known what governments are like they might ban them:( Steve