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Dave if you were really keen & knew which stations used it, you could perhaps trawl through the archives of local papers looking for pictures of incidents. Well not just keen but had enough time as well

14 more Mk 3 pictures: http://www.shorlandsite.com/WhatsNew.htm

Dave nice result. Glad you got some definitive info, very satisfying feeling when something like that turns up:-D

Not sure that I would want to drink from an old metal one, whatever the colour

It might do for the Shorland which is 12v. But there are a problem for the Pig which is 24v: I can find no 24v flasher units. As the brake lights are not double filament tail/stop type, the rear brake lights double as the flashers. It took quite a lot of ingenuity (6 diodes & 1 relay although I realise I could have done it with just 9 diodes!) to avoid the brake light triggering the front & rear turn lights. The front turn lights have a clear lens, but because people expect an orange turn light I have used orange glass paint on the bulbs rather than the lens which preserves the originality as the fluted type were only made in red or clear. But I can find no suitable orange LEDs. I don't want to put the glass paint on the LEDs as it has to be cured in an oven! Because all the light fittings are the early fluted type rather than the later Lucas FV pattern the maximum size bulb that can be accommodated is a slender 10w bulb, which are quite hard to find. Unfortunately as the LED substitute bulbs I have seen have a massive cluster of quite low power diodes rather a few more powerful ones, they are not going to fit. So maybe in a year or two there will be some modestly sized bulb replacements? I would like to change them to improve the chance of me being seen!

Tony yes that's the problem with the LEDs you have to also wire in a resistor of significant wattage to simulate the load for the thermal switch in the flasher to work. So each LED has to be loaded with one of these high wattage resistors, which is a pain. Good that there is a solid state flasher to match. I'll wait & see how yours performs first I think.

If you're talking about the diamond patterned vinyl it is called Trakmark made by Dunlop & can be obtained from yacht chandlery places in various colours. It is very expensive. It is then stuck onto the foam. I relined a Shorland that used this. If you use normal foam it is difficult to shape at edges & in small section. It is too porous & when you apply the glue it largely collapses. I got hold of some roll mats for under sleeping bags. Damaged ones are very cheap. Glued it to the vehicle with thixotropic impact glue. Then trimmed & bevelled the edges with a sharp blade. Then glued the Trakmark on giving a couple of inches overlap. When the glue had set peeled up the edges of the foam then re-glued the Trakmark underneath the foam, clamping it where possible.

Some better quality pictures here: http://wyrdlight.com/BP11/BP11Flash/index.html

Yes well done Paul it is indeed B

Paul yes very interesting. Is that hand written or printed? It would be nice to see a scan so I can put it in my dossier for the promotion of brown water cans! I have been looking through some 660 pages of Regulations for the Equipment of the Army. Part 1. 1942 Despite having a chapter on marking equipment unfortunately there is no reference to marking water cans of any sort. Going back to Supply Manual (War) 1909 there is no mention of water can markings but only for water bottles. Moving to Handbook of Specifications for Supplies 1915 although petrol cans for MT & aircraft are covered in some detail nothing on water cans. Although there is plenty of detail on the requirements for & packaging of Brandy, Burgundy, Champagne, Claret, Port wine, light beer, lime juice, stout & Whiskey (Scotch & Irish) :-D

Andy yes I have copies of the V5(NI) & service record cards for both. I have pictures of OI on the border in 1959 & couple of it under attack in Aug 1969 and a picture of PZ when issued in 1966. All a bit above the heads of most MOP. I just had my board with a few pics of PZ & my FAQs: No it is not home made & no it doesn't float etc:nut: Although I think I need one for OI with: NO it is NOT a Saracen NO it is NOT based on a Land Rover These seem to be the current top two assumptions!

However you store the small parts remember to label them. I'm not suggesting you need put VAOS or NSN identities but sufficient info to remind you in a few years time where all these small items go. It is very easy to forget what came from where. Particularly if you wrap them up in grease & paper, you don't want to clean that all off before you can try to identify them. I find old fashioned tie on labels are best. I have a feeling I read somewhere that 80% of defence stores go missing not through theft or vandalism, but because the label has fallen off & nobody knows what it is for.

Yes worms all over the place now! There was a very long thread some years ago & lots of merriment from two people who don't come on the forum any more. To save wading through all that I have teased out the documentary basis for the colour debate. It is traditionally believed that post-war water jerricans should be black with some of the detail picked out in white. However studying consecutive Regulations show that this colour scheme was perhaps not always appropriate. Most jerricans I have seen have been ones restored in black or actually have the original paint that was black or seemingly appear black in black & white photographs. But I present the documents for you to decide. Regulations for the Army 1947 Pamphlet No.3 Supply of Equipment. Army Code No.1804 There were no amendments & the consecutive document states the same. Equipment Regulations 1955 Pamphlet No.2 Supply of Equipment Army Code No.10835 There were amendments to the 1955 document in 1961 & were incorporated in to the new Regulations which now stated black was to be used. Equipment Regulations Pamphlet No.2 (1961) Supply of Equipment Army Code No.13104 As these documents were consecutive I took it to mean that the change from brown to black was authorised in 1961. However it has been pointed out that this is contradicted by this. Equipment Regulations Pamphlet No.9 (1959) Marking & Painting of Vehicles, Army Aircraft & Equipment. Army Code No.12473 However this document is not relevant to the argument. Firstly it appears to be describing jerricans for fuel, as they are to be painted Olive drab or Light stone there is no mention of water jerricans. Secondly the reference at the bottom of the page to “Paint, finishing, G.S., gloss, brushing, Black” is actually related to the left hand column which is referring to “4(E) P.O.L. tanks & pipes (iv) ladders & platforms”. Yes I know that there will be people who will say that Regulations are only there to be broken. Clearly they have been! But I am surprised that a few brown one's haven't as yet cropped up. So anyone tempted to go brown? I’m not necessarily suggesting you should, but there are the documents, you decide!

Oh well alright then! I believe each to be the oldest surviving example. Complete with boot laces if you have a really keen eye for detail!

I definitely think you are working too hard Wayne! Surprised nobody has taken a guess at who the Ferret owner is amongst the Greek army. I'll leave it a little while & see who is voted as who looks the most likely to own a Ferret.

A couple more:

These were all based on the 1-Ton payload standardised (ie properly designed MVs rather than adaptation of commercial vehicles like other 1-Ton Trucks of the time K9 & MRA1) CT (Combat Type later GS) Trucks based on the FV1601 GS Truck, FV1602 FFW & FV1604 Wireless Light of the early 1950s. FV1609 Pig based on FV1602 FV1611 Pig APC/load carrier based on FV1601 FV1612 Pig FFW some later converted to FFR based on FV1602 FV1613 Pig Ambulance converted from FV1611 FV1620 Malkara Missile Launcher converted from FV1601 (NOT from a Pig) FV1621 Missile Supply Truck conversion from FV1601 FV1622 Missile Test Truck conversion from FV1601 FV1623 Malkara Missile Repair Truck conversion from FV1601 FV1624 Malkara System Repair Truck conversion from FV1601 This is a simplification FV1601-FV1613 would be designated A - without winch, B - with winch although certain variants were never B. There were up-armoured versions of FV1611/12/13 with many variants especially of FV1611

Not forgetting the Shorlands Mk 3 for UDR use in the FL & GF series

Sorry missed this one.

Humber1-Ton. There have been several NOS ones surface in the last couple years with one dealer at GDSF. The first year he didn't know what they were for, then last year they were labelled "Armoured Pig" (whatever that is) but they fit the entire FV1600 range.

One of these is a Ferret owner. At the rear representing WW1, a soldier & nurse, followed by a 1960s 'Stop the War' peace campaigner.

An extensive display of dental instruments & equipment An ex-Israeli half-track

A wide range of re-enactment from 2,500 BC Greek Army to the Vietnam era. Heavy mediaeval content of re-enactors & similarly with stalls. The rain stayed away during the day, there were a lot of visitors although pictures don't show that as I went around with the camera at the end of proceedings. But the view from most traders was that although people came they didn't want to spend any money. WW2 was represented pleasingly will equal proportions of Americans, Brits & Germans, which makes a change from so many events were there is a disproportionate representation from one country. Unfortunately a number of WW1 groups were already committed to a WW1-only event at Bateman's in Sussex but at least the conflict was represented by a soldier medic & a nurse. I met a lot of very nice & interesting people buried away in their various disguises including a former Shorland driver in 18th cent guise & a Ferret owner in 2,500 BC Greek Army. There were lots of interesting other depictions that were too numerous to photo or where any pics would be spoilt by visitors stood in the way. Living about 7 miles away I was able to field the Shorland & Pig together for the first time at a show. First the basics! I notice it got turned away from the public on the second day so I'm not sure if someone had taken advantage of it. I think the term WC is incorrect as it is not a water closet, but maybe the public don't what the term latrine means

Adam in what respect did you find them better? Easier starting/more power/smoother running/more reliable/able to set the gap bigger? I don't have a particular angle on the subject, but just curious as I run RSN13P. PS Super pics Chris thank you. I'll take some pics on Mon

Chris as you mentioned cheese: