58 pattern webbing

[Tony B]

Anyone got a picture of the 58 layout please?

[ArtistsRifles]

Unfortunately the DS were aware of such practices - so each mask & canister was examined for "unauthorised mods" before the start of such fun events....

And woe betide anyone caught with such a mod - drop and do 100 with the bergen still on the back was the very least of their worries... :shake: :shake: :shake:

[Redcap]

Neil, DS cannot be two places at once :evil:

 

I carried two canisters in my haversack; one, fitted to the resi "just in case", was the regular can. The other was the summer weight job, stowed properly, and would be swapped over the moment DS were out of sight. Worked every time

 

Both cans were red-tape marked, and of the METAL type, not the plastic crap that came later. Plastic ones were nigh-on impossible to summerweight, of course. Probably why they introduced them (some former DS on the company payroll, no doubt, the sneaky blighter):argh:

 

To those who don't know, exercise use only resi cans were meant to be marked with red tape around the casing, to show that they were merely for defence against CS and smoke, and were not under any circumstances, to be used to defend against actual NBC situations.

 

The idea was that Company/Squadron/whatever stores would hold sufficient stock to supply each squaddie/sqaddess with two thick polythene-wrapped and sealed "in-date" (resi cans have a shelf life) "warshot" cans, and once in the fight, would be resupplied with cans as required through the supply chain.

 

Well.... that was the idea, anyhow... thankfully it never came to the test

[ferretfixer]

Both cans were red-tape marked, and of the METAL type, not the plastic crap that came later.

Plastic ones were nigh-on impossible to summerweight, of course. Probably why they introduced them (some

 

with regards to your above comment:

The plastic version was a deliberate introduction due to a serious design fault with the metal versions.

The metal version only had ONE central induction hole in the centre.

It was deemed dangerous, IF, you were asleep in full NBC kit. There was a strong possibility that if a person rolled over, they my block / obstruct the intake hole. The plastic version had slots ALL AROUND the periphery of the canister. To that end it was nigh impossible for it to get blocked /obstructed in the above scenario. Also, If attacked from behind. An attacker could put one hand over the opening in the metal version & subsequently hold the victim until he passed out from axphixia!

that is why it was introduced later on. (Also, plastic is cheaper than metal!) :-D

[Yorkie370]

FF, a good point about the dangers of single-hole canisters, but when I joined in 1978, I was issued with a metal canister with multiple perforations, rather than a single, central hole. Plastic canisters didn't come into general, ie training, use until much later in my career.

 

Andy

[ferretfixer]

FF, a good point about the dangers of single-hole canisters, but when I joined in 1978, I was issued with a metal canister with multiple perforations, rather than a single, central hole. Plastic canisters didn't come into general, ie training, use until much later in my career.

 

Andy

 

Andy, Your quite correct. I also had a multi hole metal variant. That had quite slipped my mind!

Yep, they came in later, to be replaced with the cheaper to manufacture plastic ones. (Also more durable!)

(After all, you are familiar with Government spending policy.

Saving pennies, & wasting thousands!) :rofl:

 

Mike

[Yorkie370]

From what I can remember from the course, the original, single-hole canister was designed to be used with a resuscitator. In the event of coming across a casualty with breathing difficulties, you bunged the resuscitator outlet hose into the hole in the canister.

 

How many of us didn't experience breathing difficulties when masked-up?

[ferretfixer]

How many of us didn't experience breathing difficulties when masked-up?

 

 

Only Dead Casualties!.........:-D

[Redcap]

OK, found the kit list. You can see it at:

 

http://www.practicalairsoft.co.uk/cwp/downloads/itc-kitlist.html

 

Note that this was downloaded off the Infantry Training Centre (ITC) website something like seven (7) years ago. I've searched, and the original is no longer to be found publicly online, as it would appear to have been fully updated to current doctrine, and at presumably moved to the ArmyNet site, which is the British Army's new-fangled secure Extranet service.

 

AHA!

 

Internet Archive strikes again Found the original

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20040703161423/http://www.atra.mod.uk/atra/INFBATTSCH/itcwales/Structure/Junior_Tactics_Company/KIT_LIST.htm

[Adam Elsdon]

Summer weighting NBC cannisters, naughty! Our unit had a policy that everybody including the Rodneys wore the full works, and trained in it, that way they knew how hard going it was and how far to push the troops, particularly in the heat.....which was nice! and woe betide anyone found with something breaking the respirators seal!

[ArtistsRifles]

Sneaky admission here.....

 

I managed to get away with that business of breaking the seal for a year - as I wore glasses by a slight adjustment of the mask I could get a half-way decent flow of air but still retain a CS-proof seal as the occasion arose. Number came up when, on entering the gas chamber for the bi-yearly CS torture I noticed a WO2 from the regular side looking at me rather oddly. On exiting, and after finishing the usual routine of standing in whatever breeze there was whilst the eyes finish streaming, said WO2 called me over and said "you wear glasses - where are your vision inserts??". "What vision inserts" asked me with a growing suspicion of what he was on about but determined not to let on just in case..

"The prescription inserts for your S6" he said, " you shouldn't be wearing glasses with a gas mask". "Haven't got them" replies me - at which point my little trick with the mask ended. Two weeks later I had a pair of prescription insets (read clip-in lenses) for the S6. What a bummer!!

Edited June 19, 2009 by ArtistsRifles

[Redcap]

:rofl:

[Yorkie370]

Once upon a time, Yorkie was on a Junior NCO Cadre, at a barracks in Germany. Part of the course was, naturally, the gas chamber, but for some reason we had to use one on a nearby Bundeswehr camp. Now this chamber was a splendid affair, with huge picture-windows so that the DS could remain outside while watching us victims go through the routine of running round in circles and jumping up and down to get hot and sweaty.:sweat:

 

This chamber was quite palatial in comparison to Brit ones, with, I noticed, an extraction system with the outlet apparently in close proximity to where our tormentors were standing. After determining that one of the switches on a panel by the door wasn't for the lights, I managed to surreptitiously 'knock' the extractor fan on, resulting in the DS getting more than they'd bargained on.:-D

[Redcap]

:wow::clap::evil:

[Adam Elsdon]

Once upon a time, Yorkie was on a Junior NCO Cadre, at a barracks in Germany. Part of the course was, naturally, the gas chamber, but for some reason we had to use one on a nearby Bundeswehr camp. Now this chamber was a splendid affair, with huge picture-windows so that the DS could remain outside while watching us victims go through the routine of running round in circles and jumping up and down to get hot and sweaty.:sweat:

 

This chamber was quite palatial in comparison to Brit ones, with, I noticed, an extraction system with the outlet apparently in close proximity to where our tormentors were standing. After determining that one of the switches on a panel by the door wasn't for the lights, I managed to surreptitiously 'knock' the extractor fan on, resulting in the DS getting more than they'd bargained on.:-D

 

Nice one! :-D

[ferretfixer]

Once upon a time, Yorkie was on a Junior NCO Cadre, at a barracks in Germany. Part of the course was, naturally, the gas chamber, but for some reason we had to use one on a nearby Bundeswehr camp. Now this chamber was a splendid affair, with huge picture-windows

 

I HOPE YOU CHECKED WELL FOR 'SHOWER ROSES' IN THOSE 'GERMAN' GAS CHAMBERS..........................:sweat:

[ArtistsRifles]

Yes - it's nice to hear of the tables being turned once in a while... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[abn deuce]

I wonder if after that little accident :rofl::rofl: :n00b: they had some work done to change the outside vent location :-D:-D

[Yorkie370]

Once upon a time, Yorkie was on a Junior NCO Cadre, at a barracks in Germany. Part of the course was, naturally, the gas chamber, but for some reason we had to use one on a nearby Bundeswehr camp. Now this chamber was a splendid affair, with huge picture-windows

 

I HOPE YOU CHECKED WELL FOR 'SHOWER ROSES' IN THOSE 'GERMAN' GAS CHAMBERS..........................:sweat:

 

I had considered alluding to the host nation's track-record on this issue, but being a newbie I had concerns that the squaddy sense of humour (or humor, for abn deuce :-D) might not be so well received here. I guess I needn't have worried.

Edited June 21, 2009 by Yorkie370

[Tony B]

Any sense of humour gets a response here!

[ferretfixer]

I had considered alluding to the host nation's track-record on this issue, but being a newbie I had concerns that the squaddy sense of humour (or humor, for abn deuce :-D) might not be so well received here. I guess I needn't have worried.

 

In this case Mate, It's a GAS!..........:rofl:

[Tony B]

Whilst you lot are off down memory lane without a sat -nav. The latest boot sale find by Number One son, is Detector Kit Chemical Agent residual Vapour No1 Mk 1 (nerve and Mustard Agents) NSN 6665-99-961-6082 . Any iinfo on it? Especially any nastys may be in it.Has all teh bottles, with liquid in and the the tickets.

[Yorkie370]

The kit shouldn't contain anything nasty. It used reagents and bits of coated paper for the detection of chemical agents. Replaced by hand-held hoover-like device called CAM.

 

For a bonus point, recite the definition of "Chemical Agents."

 

Usual disclaimers apply. Seek medical advice if swallowed. Other ex-Mil chemical warfare equipment is available.

Edited June 21, 2009 by Yorkie370

[ArtistsRifles]

The kit shouldn't contain anything nasty. It used reagents and bits of coated paper for the detection of chemical agents. Replaced by hand-held hoover-like device called CAM.

 

For a bonus point, recite the definition of "Chemical Agents."

 

Usual disclaimers apply. Seek medical advice if swallowed. Other ex-Mil chemical warfare equipment is available.

 

 

Anything that came out of the cook house??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Tony B]

As once said to me when I was daft enouggh to ask an army cook ' What is it?' Why ask me! I'm a **** COOK, not Sherlock ****Holmes!

[Tony B]

The kit shouldn't contain anything nasty. It used reagents and bits of coated paper for the detection of chemical agents. Replaced by hand-held hoover-like device called CAM.

 

For a bonus point, recite the definition of "Chemical Agents."

 

Usual disclaimers apply. Seek medical advice if swallowed. Other ex-Mil chemical warfare equipment is available.

 

All aspects of military operations involving the employment of lethal and incapacitating munitions/agents and the warning and protective measures associated with such offensive operations. Since riot control agents and herbicides are not considered to be chemical warfare agents, those two items will be referred to separately or under the broader term "chemical," which will be used to include all types of chemical munitions/agents collectively. Also called CW. See also chemical agent; chemical defense; chemical dose; chemical environment; chemical weapon; riot control agent.

Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.