introduction C/O RAF Fire Fighting Museum - Alvis Salamder

[chambers101]

There was or is a Salamander in an old yard in Ashington in West Sussex. My late father was going to restore it but sadly passed away and after we didn't really do anything about it. Could be worth inquiring if interested in parts. Just checked on street view and it was still there in 2012. This was it around 2002, seemed to have been converted to a forestry truck.

[Mark Ellis]

I know it's an old thread, but

@Dave Jenner the only Salamander that I think the Army had was 52EK60, as a riot control vehicle in NI. I have no history on it, so don't know if it transferred, or went straight into Army service.

There is no mention of Salamander in the computer program, MERLIN, which was created in 1986 and backdated to cover anything in the services in 1984. Which means 52EK60 was possibly disposed of before 1984.

If you've got any PDF manuals of the Salamander that you'd be kind enough to donate, I'm quite keen to add them to the growing collection on my website

https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-section/stalwart-files-manuals

I'll just mention. The two Mark 2 Stalwarts that were transferred to the RAF for Reef rescue at Gan, appear not to have transferred back to the Army when finished with in 1976 - when the Mark 1 were still in service until 1993. Mark 2 Stalwarts 07ER57 and 07ER63 were transferred to the RAF, becoming Reef Rescue vehicles 09AH16 and 00AG79. So it's probable that the RAF Salamanders were disposed off, rather than transferred.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Mark Ellis

[wally dugan]

As 52 EK 60 came into service in the sixties its record is on a 419B history card now is held at the RLC MUSEUM . 00 AG 79 are you sure its registration number was  07 ER 63 as l have it as 07 ER 67 the EK series of numbers are at RLC

Edited August 28, 2023 by wally dugan

[Mark Ellis]

On 8/28/2023 at 10:38 AM, wally dugan said:

As 52 EK 60 came into service in the sixties its record is on a 419B history card now is held at the RLC MUSEUM . 00 AG 79 are you sure its registration number was  07 ER 63 as l have it as 07 ER 67 the EK series of numbers are at RLC

Hi Wally,

I typed up a response to you in the early hours of this morning, but clearly forgot to send it. Had a headache and buzzing ear for 3 days now, and clearly making mistakes.

According to MERLIN, 07ER67 stayed in service with the Army until 1993. MERLIN was started in 1986, and backdated to 84, and doesn't show 57 or 63, which kind of supports the information that I have somewhere. Today's not the day for trying to find it, with this head thing going on. But I do know there are some human errors and omissions in MERLIN. But at least we have vehicle records, unlike some countries 😁

 

 

But from what I have on the website 

00AG79 (07ER63) from March 1967 and 09AH16 (07ER57) from December 1971 on GAN to March 1976

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Mark Ellis

[Mark Ellis]

Pretty much settee bound at the moment, so threw this Salamander page together on the Stolly website.
Any donation of documents, articles or manuals most welcome and appreciated.

https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files/alvis-salamander-crash-tender

[robin craig]

Dave Jenner would you please contact me by email through here please?

[wally dugan]

Yesterday l took some more documents in to storage with my others while there also to find another document for something l had answered on this forum while there l came across a list of  RAF SALAMANDER REGISTRATION NUMBERS  23 AG 56 TO 23 AG 95 03 AG 72 TO 03 AG 99 MK 6                            26 AG 65 TO 26 AG 73 MK 6C   03 AG 46 TO 03 AG 49 MK6A

Edited September 1, 2023 by wally dugan

[Mark Ellis]

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

Yesterday l took some more documents in to storage with my others while there also to find another document for something l had answered on this forum while there l came across a list of  RAF SALAMANDER REGISTRATION NUMBERS  23 AG 56 TO 23 AG 95 03 AG 72 TO 03 AG 99 MK 6                            26 AG 65 TO 26 AG 73 MK 6C   03 AG 46 TO 03 AG 49 MK6A

That's brilliant, @wally dugan. Thank you for that.
Hope you kept all the Fv600 stuff to one side 😁 

[Mark Ellis]

1 hour ago, Mark Ellis said:

That's brilliant, @wally dugan. Thank you for that.
Hope you kept all the Fv600 stuff to one side 😁 

Apparently, the suggestion of 125 Salamander comes from a magazine, called Flight. I've emailed asking for a copy of the page, but do wonder how many the army or Royal Navy had. I've emailed the RN as well - but don't think I've ever seen a photo of a Navy one.

[fv1609]

A few missing from the list that I know of:
03 AG 84
03 AG 87
03 AG 98

Given the totals at the top & the two columns on the right being correct, it looks as the two columns on the left have got chopped off as they only show 12 per column.

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[Mark Ellis]

1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

A few missing from the list that I know of:
03 AG 84
03 AG 87
03 AG 98

Given the totals at the top & the two columns on the right being correct, it looks as the two columns on the left have got chopped off as they only show 12 per column.

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Sorry, Clive @fv1609. I didn't think anyone would want to see the full list of what @wally dugan kindly provided earlier.

My spreadsheet from Wally's details is here 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SgH7UUlmaE00xkIlbzG2bzPrJ1ZFyBNu7W1feypF1OU/edit?usp=sharing

If you have any more Salamander reg, or any army reg numbers - it would be appreciated .

I'm wondering if the B and D models were converted Mk 6 ?

[fv1609]

Oh sorry didn't realise it was a deliberate snip.

This an interesting shot of 26 AG 63 I think.

[Mark Ellis]

15 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

Oh sorry didn't realise it was a deliberate snip.

This an interesting shot of 26 AG 63 I think.

Thanks, Clive.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the RAF had 6 Driver trainer vehicles. No evidence yet though.

This is 26AG62, with another one along side. And an unknown one that looks very blue, with F8 on the side.

 

 

 

[wally dugan]

I did not know you were interested in Alvis Stalwart driver training units  they are listed numbers 26 AG62 TO 26 AG 64

[Mark Ellis]

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

I did not know you were interested in Alvis Stalwart driver training units  they are listed numbers 26 AG62 TO 26 AG 64

Thanks, @wally dugan

As well as being interested in everything Stalwart, I'm now interested in everything Salamander as well.

Happy to receive anything that you don't mind my sharing on the webpage 😁

Many thanks

[Mark Ellis]

Here's 22AG54, and in a film of it

 

 

[fv1609]

[Mark Ellis]

4 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

 

Was there any other 22AG then?