Ian Dunn Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 HI all Has anyone any info on Wombats??? (not the furry ones!!) What sighting weapon was fitted? any pictures drawings etc also info on fitting into 109 Landie any manuals etc or pics Thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) Hi... I have a LIVE MOBAT... I may have somethng in my manuals for the WOMBAT will have a look Weapon was the .50cal spotting rifle mounted on the top of the Barrel.. I have all the photos in this vid... http://www.hmvftv.com/watch/ddfb385ea76b26521ea4/120mm-WOMBATs-and-MOBATs-in-Service Cheers Lee Edited November 20, 2008 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Did the early models have a .303 modified Bren mounted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Did the early models have a .303 modified Bren mounted? That was the MOBAT that had the Bren.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 what's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) what's the difference? BAT.... Battalion Anti-Tank MOBAT.... Mobile Battalion Anti-Tank PW era towed by the muzzle Side mounted bBren, mags filled with tracers WOMBAT.... Weapon Of Magnesium Battalion Anti-Tank lightened barrel made of magnesium carried in the back of Land Rovers & mounted in FV432's .50 cal tracer spotting rifle mounted on top of barrel 1st photo WOMBAT, 2nd MOBAT, 3rd BAT ROUND Edited April 17, 2010 by Marmite!! Correction to photo order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I take it they both used the 1 piece 120mm Hesh round, As can remember being a naughty boy on my NCO's cadre in Cyprus and had to do the old "Pick the round up and 2 laps of the square, GO" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I take it they both used the 1 piece 120mm Hesh round, As can remember being a naughty boy on my NCO's cadre in Cyprus and had to do the old "Pick the round up and 2 laps of the square, GO" Yep.. & a canister round & HE... they did experiment with a chemical round but not much use lobbing one of those a short distance.. A complete round weighs in at almost 80lbs & with it's storage container a whopping 110lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Drill round, Practice, HE & Canister heads.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 BAT sight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Not forgetting CONBAT which is a MOBAT designed to assimilate the characteristics of WOMBAT. Fitted with WOMBAT sighting & firing systems & with the 0.50 in Spotting Rifle M8C. Towed behind vehicle & not transported as is the WOMBAT but is transportable by air & adapted for dropping by parachute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) Yep forgot to mention the Converted Battalion Anti-Tank CONBAT... Edited November 21, 2008 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Dunn Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 is it possible to get sighting bits and pieces still? and how was it fastened down in the back of a 109 Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) is it possible to get sighting bits and pieces still? and how was it fastened down in the back of a 109 Ian Any BAT bits are very rare as are the Guns, ther are very few WW2 BATS, I have one of only 6 MOBATS, (I know of a complete deactivated MOBAT for sale £5k, one sold for £6,800 last year) haven't seen any CONBATS, there seems to be more WOMBATS about but not that many.. It's taken me a few years & a fair bit of dosh to collect the accessories & manuals... Sighting gear will be very hard to find... I managed to get a spare sight for the CES a few years back... Do you have a WOMBAT or looking to buy one?? Edited November 22, 2008 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) WOMBAT stored in Land Rover... Edited November 22, 2008 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) The gun mounted on the Champ is experimental and not a CONBAT, but a stripped down MOBAT (you can just see the Bren mag !) Edited April 17, 2010 by Marmite!! info corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) The Royal Australian Regiment firing MOBAT across the Lingi river to targets on the opposite bank during the Malayan Emergency in 1964. Edited April 17, 2010 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catweazle (Banned Member) Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 are the tyres on the champ a bit special or is it me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 are the tyres on the champ a bit special or is it me? The spare looks like an Avon....could be wrong :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 (edited) Why you don't stand behind a BAT... 80% of the propellant is expelled through the rear venturi, only 20% is used in actually firing the shell.. The photo in question isn't a BAT, it's a M40 106mm RCL Anti-Tank Rifle, but you get the idea Edited April 17, 2010 by Marmite!! info added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I know that if you drive under a low bridge with a wombat mounted on a Land Rover, they both get broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I know that if you drive under a low bridge with a wombat mounted on a Land Rover, they both get broken How's that then :confused: if the bridge was that low the drivers head would come off too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Lee, I have read this thread with great interest but could you explain exactly how the BAT was used? I gather it uses a sighting rifle to fire tracer to aim the main barrel, but would this be done by just one man, and how would it work against a moving target as there must have been a short delay between observing the tracer and firing the main gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) It's being incorrectly termed a sighting gun: it is a ranging gun. A small weapon with similar ballistics to the main armament has a modified (if necessary) round to increase / decrease its ballistics to exactly match those of the main armament. When a target is engaged, a short burst from the ranging gun is used first, firing at a range estimated by the commander. The fall of shot is observed, the range corrected accordingly and another ranging burst fired. When the ranging burst is seen to strike the target, a main armament round is fired using the same sight picture. Ought to guarantee a first-round hit with the seriously more-expensive and limited-supply (a Scorpion could carry a mountain of 7.72mm belt, 1 ball 1 trace for the L37 GPMG ranging gun but only 42 correctly-stowed 76mm rounds for the main) 120mm (e.g.) ammunition. The drills for engaging a moving target basically amount to tracking the target (largely in traverse) and continuing to do so through the moment of firing, and aiming forward of the target so that it and the shot are coincident in the space / time continuum when the round lands. With a muzzle velocity of 533ms-1, a 76mm HESH round would take just under 3 seconds to cover the range of a typical engagement at 1500m. Edited December 9, 2008 by AlienFTM Edited for being stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I referred to it as a spotting rifle as that's what it's called in all the manauls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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