Neilik15 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Can any one tel me how I can find out my vehicles military number or even military registration number presuming it had one. its a 1934 scammell pioneer registration DEA 768, that's all I know. Any suggestions welcome. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Are you sure it's 1934? Also what type of pioneer is it? If you can put up the chassis number I should be able to give you it's original military number and what contract it was built on. Chassis number is stamped into the chassis on the passenger side towards the front. Regards Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels v Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As Ed mentions the chassis number schould be in the area next to the front fuel tank bracket. On my ones it is written with pretty big letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Are you sure it's 1934? Also what type of pioneer is it? If you can put up the chassis number I should be able to give you it's original military number and what contract it was built on. Chassis number is stamped into the chassis on the passenger side towards the front. Regards Ed Hi yes thanks for your help. it's model is sv2s , registration certificate says year 1943 but this may be when it was first registered? and chassis no is 5343. Rgds Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 lf l recall correctly the Scammell SV2s did not appear until 1938 and from your chassis number the date of 1943 sounds as the date of manufacture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels v Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 What does the plate (if you have it ) on the Jib/crane say, because chassis no 5343 is later than both my ones and they are early 44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 What does the plate (if you have it ) on the Jib/crane say, because chassis no 5343 is later than both my ones and they are early 44. I will have a look and let you know. Where abouts on the jib should it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels v Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It is a rather large plate on the drivers side of the crane wire winch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Chassis no. 5343 Military H no. 5545293 Order no. S3164 Order date 30/4/1943 It would have been built after the order date so probably some time in 1944 or even into the start of 1945. There were a lot more Pioneer's built and supplied after this. My recovery is chassis no. 5961 and was not ordered until 1945. For interest the first SV2S were built 1939. If your Pioneer stayed in service after the war then it may well have been rebuilt. If it was there is normally a rebuild plate on the chassis near the chassis number. Also it may have been given a post war military registration of the format two letters two numbers two letters. Hope that helps. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 It is a rather large plate on the drivers side of the crane wire winch.[/quote Hi yes the plate on the side of the crane winch on mine also says 1944. Although i presume at some point in its life the back end has possibly been changed, because the boxes are in the configuration of an explorer? but with out the extra boxes ether side of the spare wheel, (The spare wheel in the picture was only held on by a single bolt bodged on rather than a proper carriage). On the nearside the ladder is over the last axle rather than the second axle, it has two planks under the boxes and two that go in from the back. Please see pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilik15 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Chassis no. 5343Military H no. 5545293 Order no. S3164 Order date 30/4/1943 It would have been built after the order date so probably some time in 1944 or even into the start of 1945. There were a lot more Pioneer's built and supplied after this. My recovery is chassis no. 5961 and was not ordered until 1945. For interest the first SV2S were built 1939. If your Pioneer stayed in service after the war then it may well have been rebuilt. If it was there is normally a rebuild plate on the chassis near the chassis number. Also it may have been given a post war military registration of the format two letters two numbers two letters. Hope that helps. Ed Thats fantastic , I wasn't very confident i would ever be able to find its military number thanks. unfortunately there is no rebuild plate present. is it posible to find out if it was given a post war registration and what it might be, or could it be DEA768. It just shows you there is a wealth of knowledge on here and all you have to do is ask. thanks again. Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 DEA768 could well be the original registration when it was sold in to civvy street. You should be able to find out from the DVLA when it was issued. That hopefully will then give you an idea as to when it left the military. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Prof Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hi All, Neil, DEA 768 was issued as a civil registration in West Bromwich in 1948. The first number in the series in January that year was DEA 560, and DEA 999 was issued in August 1948, so yours is somewhere between the two. This is likely to have always been this vehicle's civilian registration number from first registration after disposal. Because of this, there will be no postwar 'rebuild ' plate with the army sequence 12AB34, since it was disposed of before this numbering system was introduced (1948?). Best Regards, Prof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 12 AB 34 is a RAF number the ARMY sequence started in 1949 with BB all wartime B vehicles which stayed in service after the war were renumbered in sequences with R Y X and Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Prof Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 12 AB 34 is a RAF number the ARMY sequence started in 1949 with BB all wartime B vehicles which stayed in service after the war were renumbered in sequences with R Y X and Z Hi Wally, Thanks for the clarification. I only meant the 12AB34 as an example of the layout, but I see how now how that sequence could cause a little confusion. Thanks for the further information. My own jeep went from M1550911 to 20YH56 during this period, something you confirmed for me 20 years ago! I enjoyed meeting you at your museum at the time. Do you know what eventually happened to the early sectioned MB that was in external storage at Beverley? Best Regards, Prof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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