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I would think too tall, maybe a mobile canteen with rear opening doors- there appears to be a lift up portion to the rear opening ??? TED

These Tea wagons - canteen vans appear in many guises. However they all started life as Auxiliary towing vehicle (ATV) for the fire service in WW2. They were ordered by the Home Office via the Ministry of works purchasing dept; They were all registered in London C.Cc blocks retained for Ministries. See attached. There were several hundred built. Turn the clock forward to 1949, the Auxiliary Fire Service and Civil Defence was reconstituted in light of the Soviet threat, Initially equipped with hundreds of different vehicles put in to store at the end of WW2 , work was put in hand to design and construct new vehicles for both organisations.. It was subsequently decided that instead of remaining in Cities and towns, self- sufficient mobile columns should be formed on mobilisation which would move outside predicted target areas. This increased the number of types of supporting vehicles required for the actual fire fighting machines. One of the requirements was canteen vans to accompany mobile columns to provide hot drinks at stopping points , the prototype converted from an ATV. I believe about 40 were subsequently converted and yours is one of them. See item 4 on the multi image picture. TED

In the loadbed of the Fordsons are generator sets, TED.

It looks like leaf spring so I would say yes an Eagle. I think it is too early for a MK2 Brockhouse TED

Mobile darkroom type J

Checked AP 3236 it states Station works staff were in the majority Industrial Grade Civil Servants, so coupled with the overall colour and the permanent double disc assembly I would say the roller is Air Ministry Works property. TED

With the double disc is firmly attached so my guess this could well be a Station Works item or a contractor on long term duties at the drome. I will dig out my Works report and look at early war Station Works manning but I am sure it will say many civilian workers TTFN TED

OK a piece of Works Plant taken early on with its anti collision discs fitted- now what colour is the roller - AMOs A731 of 1940 required orange or another bright colour AMO A486 of 1944 required orange stores ref 33A/125 ?? TED. ps believe pic taken at Harwell or Bicester

here is a better version and another of the same or similar occasion. TED.

Its a shot taken as the Sqn departs at the end of the war for Canada. I also think its a Dodge D60. Larry bearing in mind the Crossley shot is crca 1938 we will never be certain as film was much cruder then, but I think the truck is red with a chrome radiator shroud. TED

Larry I don't think this is cammo its all shadows; It was the 1937 Crossley Teardrop that was red according to the period article, the above was a 1938 production so I would assume also in red ?? TED

Larry, where did you get the info on its delivery colour ? The 1937 Crossley Teardrops were definately in red, there is an old Flight or Aeroplane article written after a demonstration at Cranwell in which the CPL ic states he is very pleased with his shiney new red fire engine,; turning to you attached pic, giving the technical qualities of colour film at the time I can't see how you can judge the colours, it will look slightly different depending on the monitor its viewed on, by the rounday yhe pic will be no earlier than 1941 ? I have always considered this to show KG3 and a dark colour possibly Tarmac grey ?? thoughts TED

Ambos overseas only Khaki it simply says Khaki so was it KG3 ?? TED

A364 of 1937 blue grey with the exceptions- 1. ambos overseas white 2 vehicles in Iraq Khaki. A100 of 1938 intro- Armoured cars, plus armed tenders and W/T tenders operating with armoured cars Khaki. note BG only to be applied when repaint becomes necessary. TED

Been out of touch sorry. I have numerous pics of pre and very early war and most of the Fordson vehicles Balloon mt , GS tenders and vans have black front wings. The 1937 AMO states blue grey but no mention of wings or wether matt or gloss most pics appear gloss or semi; The Hendon winch is in typical pre war livery TED

There are 3 in preservation, Toney's which is with the RAF fire museum ( Scampton), one with the East Kirkby Lanc and the 3rd which did belong to the RAF fire service- it was restored many years ago at RAF Sealand for the fire school at Catterick, when Catterick closed it went to a Battle of Britian museum Near Manston ( not to be confused with Steve Shirley's former museum at RAF Manston. ) TED

Look forward as this will be an outstanding piece of reference data thanks TED Thanks ANDY. Richard I had the same problem, there is a note on there saying there is a problem re the complete document- scroll down and you will come to see all attachments click this and they have split it into 7 seperate documents, again there is a problem- at the moment I have managed to download pt 4, 6 & 7 but I am sure with repeated tries I will get them all TED

Thanks ANDY. Richard I had the same problem, there is a note on there saying there is a problem re the complete document- scroll down and you will come to see all attachments click this and they have split it into 7 seperate documents, again there is a problem- at the moment I have managed to download pt 4, 6 & 7 but I am sure with repeated tries I will get them all TED

John please help an olde chap who isn't very pc savvy- I clicked your link and found my wat to the MoD requests but can't find the Merlin list- I tried entering Land Rover para etc in the search but no avail thanks TED

Larry not a clue on that spec, it might be worth looking into you never know what that might turn up TED

Many thanks for this item, wether Norton chanced their luck, this is another valuable dated item. It predates the first A series AMO by 5 months. thanks again TED

I will answer back to front, TNA not been there but you need the AIR files, they have an index on line search for mobilisation as my suggested starting point. Accept whatever was on the production line NO- Contracts were placed for the AM by the MoS , contracts specified spec qty. MoS instructed Contractors on current applicable schemes. colour etc had to be specified because some of a contract might be for Middle east use whilst others for home / Europe use. MTP 46 was a War Office publication. but we know from photo evidence we followed the Army lead, There is an Army poster re application of Camo plus correct positioning of markings, The RAF had a poster Air Diagram 1382 which defined camo schemes to be employed, but to date a copy has never been located. There might not have been an AMO instructing intro of camo, but it could have been a pre war secret letter that required its embodiment into unit/station war books / mobilisation procedures/orders - as I have stated previously For both GW 1 & 2 no DCI etc was issued instructions came by confidential or restricted signals. - Bryan Leggat is trawling the N series of AMO. TED.

Firstly, Larry here is a link to part of the film which can still be seen on the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26818893 they are in the first few seconds of the colour part. I am convinced cam of MT and other equipment would have been in the mobilisation orders, especially as the photographing evidence is now overwhelming. Not everything was in AMOs etc in the lead to gulf wars 1 & 2 our vehicle and GSE painting instructions were all contained in signals- the relevant APs were never amended to reflect and no higher level orders were published for open distribution ie DCIs etc. Keith here attached is a scan of the original 1941 edition . Matchfuzee , many thanks, Mike Starmer's work is great, but new stuff is regularly uncovered- he quotes RAF blue grey as formally being the RAF colour until AMO A618/41 was published, but with the unearthing of N629/41, the first mention found to date re RAF MT Camo can be advanced by 2 months . TED