ted angus

Playing with the tones that has darker wings so I would say post 46-

Afraid not just listed as a "Utility Hardtop " no location, Ted.

I have pulled together numerous lists from various sources I have gathered over many years. This covers the NGY and PGK reg blocks as I know for certain these are series One. I also have 5 numbers in the RGX block but I have a feeling these may be Series 2 so haven't included them. I have attached the list as a file but in case anyone cannot open it , I have embedded it into this text. Series 1 Land Rover L4P fire tenders for Min of Supply NGY 76, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84 Eskmeals became 53 EP 48. 85 Chertsey became 58 EP 75. NGY 712 Shoeburyness became 50 EP 96 . 713, 714, 715 Inchterf became 50 EP 72. 716, NGY 891, 892 Porton Down became 57 EP 23. 893 became 50 EP 11. 894 Longtown became 50 EP 36. NGY 895, 896, 898, 899 became 50 EP 49. 998 Rotherwas became 50 EP 40. NGY 999 Chertsey became 60 EP 23. PGK 955 Nancekuke became 56 EP 72. 957 Potton Island became 54 EP 59. 958 Pendine. PGK 959 Ft Halstead became 54 EP 58. 960 Cranfield, 961 Farnborough/Pyestock. 964. 965. I am pretty confident that this list is mostly accurate, However on enthusiast lists NGY 998 and 999 are also listed as PGK ? With reference to Wally’s Chertsey info I have gone with NGY. All these tenders were ordered by The Ministry Of Supply for their huge number of establishments. The Ministry of Supply was dissolved in 1959 with some establishments moving to other Ministries whilst some passed to the War Office. Those passing to the War Office were given Army registration numbers in the EP series, those to other Ministries and departments retained there original London County Council( reserved for civil ministries) registrations. Series 1 L4P.docx

To me it looks like Fort Halstead Sevenoaks- which of course is its postal town, I think its a case of accepting these little machines moved around . I have now found 26 in the NGY and RGX reg block 12 have locations and 13 have re-registration numbers in the Army EP block. Once I have finished digging I will post the list. TED

Hi Wally I have 998 became 50 EP 40 and 999 became 60 EP 23 regards TED

I have been following this thread with interest. My understanding is : All series one fire tenders were Land Rover products, Carmichael and others became involved with the introduction of the Series 2. The conversion included a 50 gall water tank onto which was mounted a hose reel. There was a hose carrying container along each side and of course mounting of the Pegson pump on the back along with a control panel. Scimart maybe you can align some of the holes in your tub with the standard items in the pictures. I especially included PGK 965 for this purpose; Just to throw a spanner in the works there can be no doubt these machines changed locations during their lives to meet vehicle unserviceabilities and changes to establishment. On a list I was once given for which I cannot say how accurate it is __ NGY 990 is shown as a GP with hard top ? 998 fire tender at ROF (later OS & DD) Rotherwas and 999 at Chertsey. regards TED

Rupert your 4th pic is taken at Guernsey Airport.., Jersey also received one plus the same model of Crossley crash tender. Ted.

Larry there was a folding seat on the partition door for the attendant TED.

Larry there was a folding seat on the partition door for the attendant TED.

When the M1 was being constructed My Dad and I used to walk along sections of it on a sunday lots of QLs to be seen - no fences no H & S !! happy days TED.

yes it would appear so ! TED.

Hi Michal, as hostilities came to an end there would have been a surplus of QL bowsers so as with many types, vehicles were selected for rebuild for the medium to long term future requirements. I would imagine 16A/ 700 started life as 16A/ 699 . My identification of that vehicle is taken by reference to the relevant data sheet in AP 2782A. and AP 2515A Vol 111- which is a huge cross reference document which lists complete vehicles by its 16A reference, At the time of publication ( may 1946) only 4 QL bowsers are listed- 16A 541. 542 699 and 700. Turning to the close up of the oil pump it appears that there are re-inforced areas each side of the pump on the walkway ? By swapping the hoses fuel could be drawn from a 44 gal drum and pumped into the bowser. We can only assume that the connection on top of the bowser tank is to some sort of internal stand pipe . Zwicky pumps of the day had the delivery outlet at the top of the pump body, so in the screen shot you posted the pump is set up to deliver from the tank. Now to version 3, no modifying the tank is a factory or exceptionally well equipped workshop task. drain vent and steam for several days, cut the end off the tank to gain access to the interior to weld in dividing wall. then pressure test with water , then drain vent , dry ! My thoughts are that the version 3 in your picture is a 950 with an acquired oil pump mounted on the bowser for convenience . TED .

A little more info to add : here is a picture of a 16A/700 which is number 5. on your list. The oil pump on your 4. 16A/699 is mounted on the walkway; described as a Zwicky double reciprocating hand pump. On your 3. I am wondering if the pump - one of the handles can be seen in the photo - is mounted but not plumbed in plus the oil hose stowage box fitted to give a capability in the field but actually the oil is drawn from a 44 gal drum. I used the later hand pump and certain models could be mounted with a hose and standpipe into a drum or the dip tube of the standpipe fitted to pump and the resulting assembly simply put into the drum ?? I would certainly be a lot of work to retro modify a 950 tank into a 850/100 - your thoughts .

Hi Michal, In my previous I only mentioned the 3 basic types I knew were in service in WW2: I dug out my data book sheets ; 1. concur- plus my memory is going daft as the data book confirms this was 1000 gal. 16A/542 2. concur 16A/541 3. I will have to dig further into my photos but could just be same as 4. 4. concur 16A/699 5. concur 16A/ 700 6. 7.concur 16A/1297 850 gal AVTUR yes large cyl items are the Stream-Line filters required for Turbine( jet) fuels . data sheet shows positions for 3 booms but centre not fitted; note this has full size rear double doors to access engine & pump compartment. 8. yes this is 16A/1393 950 gal AVTUR this one is PTO and the Stream-Line filters are consequently mounted in the rear compartment which has full size rear double doors. This is built with provision for just 2 booms and is exactly as projected in the Airfix plastic kit ! 9.concur this is 16A 710 is a 1000gal water for photographic units. this must have been overloaded as 1000 of water is nearly 4.5 tons ? I will have to dig further as I have photos of boomless refuelling jets ? and possibly other that don't match the above. TED.

I would say that says Type 1308 . I have a copy of the short lived Air Ministry Order listing TYPES- it was a totally useless system - like many thing I experienced in my 39 years in the RAF so nothing I read or see surprises me; The subject of the photo is a Fuel and oil bowser 850 gal of fuel and 100 gal oil. oil was dispensed through a hand pump mounted on the nearside of the vehicle. There are 2 other types of QL bowser and both are listed in their relevant docs as 950 gal: However in other RAF publications there is mention of a 950 gal and a 1000 gal fuel bowser. ?? TED.

Hi Richard, yes some very interesting stories but that picture that appears on page 42 is wrongly placed; there was no operational association between the GCI, or associated Signals Units and the MFPUs. Some where I have a history of the MFPUs and it was after D Day that they landed, I think the pic of the one exiting the LST is from No7 MFPU. I will try and find the date. keep safe TED.

The omaha photo is not a radar unit, they did not use artics. This is a vehicle of a Mobile Field photographic unit, whose task was to process film taken by the recce aircraft the trailer is a Tasker. example attached . Ted.

NYV 317 served at the Home Office Fire Service Training Centre at Moreton -in- Marsh. It would have been used by despatch riders and convoy traffic control riders during mobile fire column training. There is a Pathe news film on the subject TED

This picture is post 1949 possibly 1952/3. It is RAF Kabrit which was in the Egyptian Canal Zone afraid I don't have a clearer picture but the reg will be in the ??AA?? block. note the station name below the roundel

Fantastic and a big thanks to RUNFLAT for reposting the files TED.

Magic ! thanks for sharing regards Ted.

my money on khaki Green No 3 and Nobels dark tarmac green No 4 subsequently named Nobels dark tarmac No 4 Ted

I can confirm your Explorer was at RAF Chivenor in N Devon.This picture was posted several years ago on the RAF MT drivers website; the colour was obviously too light for RAF Blue Grey so I contacted the chap that had posted the picture and back in the day was the Explorers driver; In addition to its primary vehicle recovery role it also formed part of the technical response to aircraft emergencies and was therefore in airfield colours of BS 381 tint 356 Golden Yellow; hope this helps. Re the colour of the first message, RAF Blue Grey was very prone to fading, I joined in 64 and apart from some airfield vehicles being all yellow, the standard colour was RAF Blue Grey until the tone down commenced in the early 1970s, your picture reminds me of a faded vehicle of that period. Ted

Some RAF vehicles carry the arabic some don't. . The dual WD*** plus arabic appears in some pre war Palestine photos Ted.

The pic was -I think -taken 1959-60 so would it still have been 1st Guards Armoured Brigade or would the name change to 1st Armoured Brigade have taken place. The picture I originally posted was just to clearly show the formation badge- the attached is the actual vehicle. Its an RE unit based in Hamelin part of the Amphib engineer regt. I have assumed the date because that is the timeline for 17 becoming the number for RE fld sqns in armoured Divs.