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Afraid Nothing like that chassis number in the incomplete Army list I have- most are 11*** then 19*** then a handful 345***. The nearest to yours is 345520. With no sign of green I expect this will be ex Army, Some of the first batch into Army Fire Service service were gloss green and some Lt Stone. then later batches in red. But they had the earlier grill and the recessed twin amber flashers. They were followed by a batch with the twin amber flashers and new grill, Then a later batch with new grill and no amber flashers ( see attached ). Unfortunately It seems when some later examples were delivered the chassis numbers RLHZ3 12345 would be recorded as 312345. The attached Army example is listed as chassis number 345455- which I presume is RLHZ3 45455. Sorry I cannot give you a better answer. TED

The GGs built for the Auxiliary Fire Service had the original style grill plus had a recess central above the windscreen for twin amber flashers. A number were also built for the Army fire service. Some. Of these had the later grill and no recess above the windscreen. I have the chassis numbers for some of these. So it may have been transferred from the army ?? Let me know the chass number and I will check if I have it.

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Yes. Both the bedford rl and M support vehicles had 3 roles. Fire and rescue. Fuel and comms. TED

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V= Transport Command; 38 is 38 group. At one time all the RAF's tactical assets in the UK were in 38 group Argosy transports, Hunter ground attack- later Harriers. the groups assets included tactical refuelling, and tactical Comms units. Ted.

More by luck ! I sent that from my tablet and it does predicted mumbo so takes an age to correct before submitting

Larry. I did say 2TAF carried the roundel

The star was only applied to UK based British army vehicles as a D Day preparation. Very few R.A.F. vehicles of 2TAF carried the star. The extra large roundel applied on all vertical and horizontal surfaces was their air recognition symbol. Whereas. USAAF and US army carried the star almost from their arrival in the UK.

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USAAF at Duxford had Morris armoured cars and Beverettes for airfield defence.

I think only 302' ,303, 308 and 315 with spits. I am sure the caption stated the girls were all polish airwomen and it was a national celebration day.

Afraid I didn't note the location of date, but there were only 4 polish fighters squadrons. What I feel was a great injustice was the exclusion of any polish participation in the 1946 victory parade .

Larry yes a GMC & trailer- similar to the attached RN example Ted.

I was meaning the albion bowser in the first picture in the series posted by bobc1940

Somewhere I have a shot of an Albion Ambo at I think Odiham, which appeared to have Light Earth with light green cam, I read somewhere RAE did a trial using these colours , so possibly the Commer with the green roof and the tiny shot of the Albion bowser are vehicles left over from the trial ??? The attached might be of interest !

Yes D. I meant nobels dark tarmac green no 4,

I am saying I am thinking that nobels tarmac dark green is the same as army green number 4.

A couple of corrections to Mike Starmer's notes- I have all the AMOs mentioned plus the TNA notes. The Hendon Archive notes relate to AMOs . AMO 364 /37 states (1) overseas ambos to white. (2) all vehicles Iraq to Khaki. then an amendment to include (3) armoured cars, Armed tenders and w/t tenders with armoured cars to be Khaki- this will mean globally as the original AMO had already said all vehicles in Iraq- at this time we had Armoured Car Companies wandering over much of the middle East. JUNE 1941 N629/41 is not a signal its an AMO- there were several series of AMOs those prefixed A were Admin those prefixed N are temporary . It may well be the info we cannot find pre dating June 1941 is hidden in the N series of AMOs or was simply and more swiftly promulgated by Telex or by the priority letter delivery service. AMOs were ultimately superseded by DCIs ( Defence Council Instructions), these often took 2 to 3 months between initial composition , approval, printing , and global distribution to Stations then to Squadrons, Flights and Sections- so I would think in WW2 it would be a similar period. I am still after many years scratching my head over dark green , nobels dark tarmac green and dark tarmac, but I am swaying towards Nobels dark tarmac green No 4 being Army No 4.

The truck in several shots is a Bedford MSC.. I would say most of the BoB period "Brown & Green" are KG 3 and dark green- the same as the army were using . The crash tender is a Fordson WOT1 Weeton type. picture is by IWM taken late WW2 at Prestwick who had mainly civvy Air Ministry employed firemen. The PE1301 on the door is often mistaken for its reg number in fact its TYPE 1301 the type number of crash tenders in the RAF's short lived type number scheme. I have seen snippets from that home movie used in DIG 1940 on other programmes over the years. 601 Sqn was known as the Millionaires Sqn it was a prewar Auxiliary Sqn the pilots were mainly very rich chaps - hence the colour movie film I suppose. The Bowser filling the Lanc coded Z I would say is in SCC2 & 1A as its in the camp pattern that was introduced about the same time as these colours Most of the tractor shots are reported to be 44/45 period taken by the Station Commander Grp Capt Cozens at Hemswell. However I think the date is 1943 as that is the year he was at Hemswell ??? Thanks for sharing these shots. Ted

That colour is fiction as is the W/1941 marking Ted

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Yes I just found and read the article on the National Trust site- it makes me think I had previously known about Hillside previously and forgotten about it, Ted.

In the UK there were 6 M T Companies numbered 1 to 6. Overseas a different set of numbers. I would suggest if a vehicle of the Studebaker's capacity was required on a full time basis then one would be on the units establishment. With the exception of 2 M T , tasking for M T Companies was directly by the Air Ministry . Whilst a single raid might only generate the need for say 300 maps there would be a range of maps held by ops at every group and station which would amount to quantities in their tens of thousands, so the need for such a vehicle may be say a weekly task. What we don't know is exactly what maps were produced there ? Was it just specially prepared target maps or all . My guess is possibly commercial printers produced non target maps.

Just to refresh your memory- Here is your FYY160; I took the shots in front of Hanger 56, now I think this could well be 1993 or 1994 as my old office in the 1917 wooden hut has gone. I can't remember who owned the ambulance. I don't think it was Jimmy Wood's as his had an ex ministry reg GLU** or similar reg number. Take care TED