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Exceptional images.

Yep, That is pretty much up to date. The 2000 Act was often in practice a ridiculous piece of legislation. I know people who were stopped from photographing things like carnivals in their home towns by zealous PCSOs looking for ragheads under the bed. I also have a friend who was photographing sunsets on the Thames who was stopped by a Met police officer who suspected him of being some sort of Al Qaeda dicker. He chose to delete his images. Yet we have friends on this forum who work tirelessly snapping the armed forces on Salisbury Plain and elsewhere, who although they receive mixed support from elements of the authorities (I know because I've spent time with them), manage to do fantastic work all for sheer pleasure and to support our armed forces. The irony is always the first casualty. I seem to remember your train. It seems a bit extreme - but obviously this is to maximise all fund raising potential to keep it chuffing. This seems fair enough to me.

Absolutely right. I work for a media organisation. People employed as photographers do not own the stuff they take FOR the company. Some years ago a management buffoon suggested all us involved in the photographic side were obliged to devolve our copyright to the company. I asked if this included the images of the births of my children or snaps of my cats and he demured. But he was keen on my other stuff which told the true story - so the net result was an invitation from me to him to go forth and multiply. A short time later Rupert Murdoch gave him a similar invitation and this carried a lot more weight. Hey ho! I'm still here as the empire crumbles...but that is another story. Damn the torpedoes!

I never actually mentioned copyright. Just because it's your truck you do not own any copyright. It's not like image rights you find on people like Beckham or so on which is another ball game altogether - pun intended. In my case I never surrender copyright but terms of use are a separate issue. For instance, I did a string of gigs photographing trading rooms of a number of financial institutions for a company making specialist furniture. The copyright is mine but I agreed in writing I would never use the images in any way barring their specific arrangements because of the agreements they had set with the institutions themselves. I could have made a nice wad of cash off these images during the current banking scandal(s), but an agreement is an agreement.

Legally you can only have a say in it if the images are taken on your own private property with or without your permission. I would not enter your property without invitation and even then would clarify what I could photograph and how the photos would be used. If I were to snap your truck without asking, you would be entitled to redress. But the sad fact is the legal nonsense involved using ambulance chasers would negate any financial benefit and leave you no option but to get the hump with all pro/semi pro/happy snappers or raid the armoury. Anywhere on public roads or land is out of your control. If it is at a public show on someone else's private property - such as W&P etc (but using it as a prime example), then there is actually very little to say about it because the "press" or "event" photographers covering the show (such as myself) are directed to record it for a variety of purposes. For example, I snap stuff for Rex's website which are added every day ( as part of a team) and I am also free to use these images commercially in any way I see fit (I don't get paid for doing it). In practice this generally means I just give them to whoever wants them - living history groups etc. But I admit to have been tardy at this in 2011/12 due to a run of very crappy health. The point is, it is always polite to ask, but not always possible. Ignorance is no excuse and if I see a person in a living history role or with a vehicle, I always ask....even on A&E. It doesn't hurt and it breaks the ice. Some people are not keen and some are blatantly unhelpful. If this is the case, I take my leave. I am not a collector. I hope this restores your faith a little. I'm afraid there will always be someone snapping you but rest assured they will not be making a fortune out of you even if they are selling their snaps. Most publishers are still paying around £10-15 a time for a snap. I haven't sold an MV snap for donkeys years since my time with CMV ended. Mark

Nice to see another MUTT on the mend. I have an A2... MB

Good stuff, Steve; as always - but what a shame for the organisers. Bloody sad. James and I considered coming up - but I couldn't find the outboard motor for the car.

Tarts!

Welcome Dave and Lin. I had an Iltis - poor thing - it was fun though. MB

Nice to have you with us, Andy. Hope you get a lot out of being part of the Friendly Forum. Mark

The Canadian branch continues to grow. Welcome to the Friendly Forum. Some of us haven't decamped to the Hop Farm yet and some will not at all, so there is always life beyond Beltring at HMVF. MB

Welcome to the Friendly Forum. MB

Better late than never, Guy. I've been away for a while myself and come back to find a woman making a mess of the staff toilets. Whodathunk?

You mean YOU can miss the bowl by four feet as well? Way to go!

Pat Ware's wife Lizzie called it thus many moons ago, so you are absolutely right. I always say it is Glastonbury with tanks and should have had the t-shirts done. :-D

Does 'Human' include the Stevens brothers?

Good question on the Scarabs. The only one I've seen is the one you mention at Hendon which I think is ex-Malta. Ready to be corrected. Never seen a RiffRaf Bantam.

Just another reason not to have one of the things!

Back in the vault until 2014!

No probs Amanda. Just pm me with am email address. Mark

Another day another monsoon. I was feeling particularly unwell, so James and I elected to go home instead of heading into Weymouth. We paid (literally) a quick visit to the Tank Museum which was fantastic. I wish the snaps had been worth the effort. Anyway - we close on Sunday morning with a view of the King of the Mud Surfers in action and a look at the site. Thats it for another couple of years. Well done to Jack and everyone who organised the thing and to everyone who took part. Thanks to Colin for the photobus and to the Rixons for their hospitality on Saturday night. Mark and James

Nearly back. A few nice snap of Mark Williams on his Harley, though one is a bit fuzzy. The garage forecourt is a bit special.

Some more pix of the last leg of the return journey.

Some stuff in Colin's WC63. Who's that saddo wearing the "Photographer" helmet?

Because of the navigational error we had a change of scenery over the tailgate.