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Yes but does anyone remember the real Judge Dread created by Prince Buster? (The name was later hijacked by a boy singing rude nursery ryhmes, which were funny enough but nothing to do with the original). I cannot understand all this rap stuff now, but Prince Buster really had something for real Jamacan music (not the weak UK stuff that followed many years later). Remember 'The Ten Commandmants of Man' & 'Al Capone' & all that stuff? Going on about 'shanty town' with the 'sound systems' & of course the local 'rude boys' (in case Borat's watching rude = cool)

So this is a hydraulic buffer, is it stubby or a long one? Or can you tell me the FV no?

We have a small tractor which is taxed but free of duty there is a radius of use from our smallholding. I once saw a Morris armoured car registered as an agricultural vehicle. But I think we have to not abuse these regulations. Not only will insurance be invalid but it is bad for the MV movement if we are seen to be irresponsible & in the present climate (look at France) breaking the law like this is not very clever for any of us.

Jagshemash to all my freind in Blightie, especially big(!) fans Jock, Jerry, Rickjard & funny old fellow Cliv with his EMUR. This is what I had been doing & up to this week over here. We have Land Rovers here as well also now that we are nearly democracy. I say democracy because next year we have like a general election which make me very proud. But all this is in geopardy as some retard boys from the institution have broken to the party office & stolen the election results. So we will not know who is won, even next year My brother Karl he is at the institution as he is a little retired as well, but only a bit like you say a picnic short of two sandwhiches. He is nice man & now has job collecting from street dogs which he grow on the rhubarb, and it is very tasty. Sometime Karl make cooking of ratatooly, he joke a bit & call it ratabarby. It is why because over here there is some rationing still & we cannot get tooly even on the black market. But Karl can get nice rat very cheap & cook it with his rhubarbs. We all think very lip tasty but is a bit burpy & much worse later on :oops: Anyway I dingeress here is picture of me with Karl. We are only people with Land Rover in village but when I bought it with a gallon of insecticide & a night with my wive (but only allowed to use her television remote control, so was not rude) They tell me that it need some extra like 3 or 4 wheels to make it go & maybe how you say an engine. It is here we drive around the arena before the weekly donkey stoning. We are proud family to drive the Land Rover round the arena, but it very slow & heavy. So here we rest during 10 minute silence in honour of our factory leader who died of rhubarb poisoning or maybe it from rat as well. I hope I have spoken OK as it make very nervous speaking to many people & each time I get no solid but like brown water which is not nice for me so I always have canvas bucket at the handy. I think you have same trouble in U and K with always carrying a bucket just in case. I go now & find my bucket from my wive who is using it to make special sausage which is very nice. Once a members of your parliament of commons tell me in private making legislation is like making sausages. It is best you not see either being maked but finished result is very good. This is maybe you have too many funny laws in your country that are are designed to generally make life more difficult for everybody which cost many taxes & all go funny if you do not keep them in the fridge. Goodbye & Chenque, Borat

I signed up a few weeks ago, seems genuine attempt to help. Thought I'd give it a go.

This is an Army FV1611, originally 13 BK 01 but modified for police service. There were ten FV1609s issued to the RUC in late 1958. During 1960 they were all fitted with an armoured roof, loosely based on the FV1611. These pigs were in the sequence 2986 OI to 3001 OI. In 1962 2986 OI was destroyed & replaced by this FV1611. Some modifications were made: Windscreen visors with horizontal slits. Strong wire mesh protection over windscreens. Painted Light Admiralty Grey Front & rear foglights The characteristics that show it to be a FV1611 rather than a FV1609 are: Rails on roof for canvas Square not rounded headlight covers Aerial base support is thicker Fittings where wipers were fiited (on FV1609 they are inside) Pistol ports are more substantial Bridge plate 3071 EZ was fitted with an adjustable barricade ram & painted in Rustoleum Green. It always seemed to be the pig that was used in front line in preference to the other FV1609 based pigs of which some had barricade rams. Here it can be seen covered in paint & being petrol bombed. A unique & interesting vehicle that then entered Army serice in 1971 with the registration 27 BT 91 and was struck off census again in 1980. You can see some of the differences if you look at mine below.

Paul But isn't your pig registered as a minibus? Mine are, so by definition one would expect to carry passengers. But I note that one now has a new V5C which omits reference to minibus. I don't think I will challenge it for now as the forms have been going in backwards & forwards when I change the weight & colour. The system can't cope with two types of change it seems. They keep putting the weight as the engine capacity & when that is changed correctly the colour seems to change :roll: Although this takes the biscuit, I recently found that my insurers have decided that the 2 Shorlands, 2 Pigs & Hornet have all miraculously become made in 1960 & powered by 200cc engines :roll: Where did they get that idea from I don't know?

Richard Thats very ingenious, perhaps we need one for. "I might be a little while, don't waste your time queing up for this one just yet". What I had in mind was official flags. Now this was covered in an article so you clearly have not read it thoroughly enough. Within those groups there are different requirements and expectations of the equipment & facilities. One set of facilities is not necesesarily better than the other but they are different as custom dictates & users expect & demand. Of course within those user groups facilities will be further segregated according to rank or caste. eg privates, NCOs & officers.

Richard That particular book "Field Service Hygiene Notes India 1940" has over 600 pages of useful tips. Maybe a few tricks in there that Beltring campers could learn from or more to the point the organisers when you consider the following. The logistics of all that sort of thing & the maintenance of health makes the most sophisticated weaponery & cunning plans mean nothing if a soldier has eg dysentery. There is no easy way to put this but when you go back to manuals of 1912 & up to the mid century it explains that a battalion (1000 men) produce solid matter of 4.5 cu ft per day. Manuals of the 1970s to the present are far too polite to mention this sort of data, but from a planning & admin point of view it must be just as important today as it ever was. But nobody can mention matter of fact details like that even in the Army, how strange. OK Richard what sort of flags should be flown over the blue plastic boxes to indicate their function? There were special flags for the purpose.

Jerry The unusual doesn't usually interest normal people - by definition. So there is less competition. If there is a manual on a gun it will be very much sort after & hence more expensive than say a manual that I bought at Malvern on how to build field latrines in India with self closing lids. I find the technicalities of how to go to the lavatory safely of more use to mankind than ways of killing each other. Having taken that tone, I have to confess I did buy the training manual on the LMG on ebay. It didn't go too high as I don't think it was realised in was the book on the Bren gun! There are two manuals I am after EMER POWER N 109 - The types of hose clips used on B Series Engines & the Manual of Army Noticeboards and dimensions thereof. Amazing they can wrire a whole book on it :?

Paul Ah you have discovered MLU. I don't have any other pics of your pig I'm afraid. As regards the mystery pig here. Its not a mystery to me, but I am just having a bit of fun & trying to stir up some interest. It was on MLU for a couple of weeks & nobody seemed to know nuffink about it so I put it up here. Now Richard has responded on MLU & so have you on here but Richard also frequents here so I don't want to give the game away, and I know you will go on MLU to see whats been said! Paul you say its a Mk 1 do you mean a Mk 1 FV1611 like yours or a FV1609 like mine of which 10 were issued to the RUC in 1958? If this is an RUC would have been painted Light Admiralty Grey in 1962-63, then Rustoleum Green. The picture is 1969.

OK what's this then? It has been posted on MLU for a couple of weeks & nobody has ventured any opinion at all. :?

Jack If its too cold the problem is condensation on what you are about to paint & what happens after you've put the paint on even if it seemed to have no moisture to start with. In my workshop I have large dehumidifier been running continuously for I suppose at least ten years which is an achievement. But the metal is damp & of course when it is cold & dry it might be ok when you put it on but the coldness delays the drying of the paint. I just wait for spring, whenever that will be :cry:

Jack Painting, I found it is best done outdooors as most of us can't get enough all round good light apart from the H&S fumes issue. You need a mildly warm calm not too bright dry day. Early spring days seem best. Obviously you want no dampness on the vehicle before you start, during or when it is drying. If there is wind it will blow dust & leaves etc. If it is too hot it will start to dry on impact & a day that is too bright make the applied surface a bit difficult to see with the sun behind you. Then with the sun in any other direction can spoil your vision & give rise to "missed bits" which people will forever enjoy pointing out to you. :roll: Days that are too warm can encourage polleny leaves & things to fall from the trees or flying things that want to stick their bottoms on your wet paint. One person I know has a nursery & uses the greenhouses for some vehicle work, even in winter it is warm, calm & has wonderful uniform levels of light. There were awful problems in the 1950s with painting problems on a whole range of vehicles military & civil. The problems then were smog, the attituded that painting was for decoration rather than preservation, shortage of raw materiels in the paint industry generally. Also a lack of appreciation of using primer, undercoat, first coat & top coat in an intergated way way with the design & application of paint systems that were designed to adhere to each other as there were problems with poor paint adherence. This is covered in a painting article I did but I see I haven't yet sent it to you for posting! So watch out it is quite a big one :roll:

Jagshemash to my fans in England of U and K. I have come say big Hello. I like very much this site from my friend Jock with his JMC. I am laughing many times as when I send message to Cliv in his Corner, Jock has moved me here. Cliv in his corner is very serious but here it is fun time and laughing place. But I am having more as you say "Hits" than Cliv in his Corner who is poking a pig! What a strange man he must be to do bad things like that. We have pig here, but no poking is allowed since the reforms without a licence from the party secretary. On glorious liberation anniversary it is allowed without licence to do before football match and dog roast. Here I am being very nice with the pig before we drive on to start the football match. We always win as the other team from the bad person prison are not allowed to play in a car or pig only wearing swimming trunks which do not fit. They are too big as they made in one size for the ladies formation plough team. Now I must go, I am looking for a new wive who will come home with me and help with ploughing and demolition. She must look nice in red dress I buy her, I buy her new table tennis bat, television remote control and yellow plastic washing up bowl which I have to buy on the black market. But she must not tell my first wive about the the bowl as yellow is her favorite colour as well which is why she will not wear red dress. My fiend Jerry I wish very much you show me your air raid shelter, maybe you will bring it to, how you say Purbeck Rally this year. I think very much, silly man but good fiend, Cliv, that is if he is not feeding his EMURs. Like as I say before I only come back again as I have so many of the "Hits" I know you like me more twice than the Cliv. Goodbye & Chenque, Borat

Jagshemash my old comrade Jerry. Yes it was you my old fiend at Purbeck Dog Show I was made introduced to you by my old fiend, party member and comrade Cliv. He say we have party time again in your tent with no camel. I think your wive like how you say "Black beer & raison". So I think he is looking with much forwardness to enjoying the company of your dog and you wive and am expecting you will also enjoying them there as well. The Cliv will be riding his pig there but he worry that the retard boys do bad things with his pig. But I say to him in England they do bad things with their ferrets and pull them off by the turrets. Please you not tell Cliv you my old comrade Jerry not do bad thing like that. How many ferret is it to pull a plough in case I get one or two to taking home for my no2 wive. She is taking like her heavy plough licence, but I must give the testing committee some vodka and a lot of insecticide. Or is it the other way around? But once you have a glass of our insecticide then it no matter which you drink. I thinking very much the black beer and raison is like our insecticide. Anyway I go now I have a rat in the oven as you say. And we have democracy and pepsicolas here now like in US and A. The local pary committee is having a debate to raise the age of consent to 85, so I am waiting for much of fun when I am older. Jagshemash my good fiend and I hope your satchel is more comfortable in the cooler weather. Borat

This is 1972 at time of BS.

Richard Well I really don't know I don't have those two books as WW2 is not my thing. I agree with you that BT White can be regarded as a reliable source. However I am looking in WW2 Military Vehicle Markings by Terence Wise 1981 describes 25th Armoured Engineer Bgde as a red shield with two vertical blue bars either side of a black diablo. As far as the 21st goes that completely contradicts Roignoli. :?

Richard Shouldn't that be the 21st Army Tank Brigade? I am looking in Roignoli's 1972 book Army Badges & Insignia of WW2. An all black diablo was 21st, but the black diablo with a white flowery thing in the upper triangle was 25th?

"I'm free" I thought you were at least firty free.

Rob Diamond like this is the standard tactical sign for armoured formations & units signifying Regimental or Battalion HQ & HQ Squadron or Company. Red signifies Senior Regt or Battalion.

No not aware of any such site. but was there something in particular you wanted to interpret?

Jagshemash (you old Pepsi can :wink: ) I have just come in it is so wet I have been out shooting dogs, but my wife is still outside gaining some more plough experience. But unlike UK we are still allowed to do smacking with dogs and hunting with children. It is very difficult to get, how you say EMURs here. I have to buy two gallons of insecticide to give to the party secretary before he will let me see his EMUR. But it is difficult here, I maybe have brought shame on my family as it is customary to offer three gallons of insecticide. So he will take me off my job off national prestige which is to make the worlds largest man made cardboard box. Then we be no1 and beat the US and A. But we still have a woman who has world record for amount of hairs and her husband is very proud as she has a certificate of verification of the number of hairs from the World Health Organisation. So they are having their favorite dog barbecue and they have invited for me to bring a wive. But both of mine are in the cage tomorrow, but maybe I can take someone else's dog and wive. But I must go back to my film which is coming out very big boy soon :roll: See me http://www.boratonline.co.uk/ Jagshemash

If you mean military Rovers, High Gloss Deep Bronze Green BSC 224 .

Whatever faults you had with the lighting would not be related to the ignition failure. When I had a mini I used to get a lot of trouble with conking out in the rain as the coil was mounted close to the front grill. Did you try spraying some WD40 all over the ignition cables, distributor & coil, having first dried it off as much as you could with a cloth. Other thing to check is that the distributor cap is clean, once it gets grubby it allows moisture to track across. If you didn't know how much fuel there was, maybe some off it was quite old? I always thought with old fuel then it won't run very well I never knew the harm it could do. I had inadvertantly used some old (clean looking) fuel & ended up shattering an exhaust valve tappet on the pig. So watch out!. On the left is the broken tappet on the right an intact one!