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Wayne all Humber 1 Tons have Tractas at the front. Rear CT/GS - Tracta Hornet & Pig Mk 1 - Chobham Pig Mk 2 - mostly Birfield but could be Chobham or even Tracta Contrary to one Army NI driver training manual they were not fitted with Tractor joints!! All bellows are rubber

Y yes but never seen any evidence of Z. Had you in mind the Royal Mail van someone has painted up as bomb disposal?

Ah glad its still around, thank you Tim that's a high resolution picture. Somewhere I have nice picture of Monty watching a Humber coming off the production line.

That's a shame Paul to have it go wrong of all weekends. Do you have any of the DROPS AESPs ? I think I have the complete set which includes fault finding & parts list, 19 sheets of FAESP.

Dennis it is Dunlop "Trakmark" it was very expensive & has been unobtainable for many years. It was used in the yachting world & 25 years ago I obtained some large off cuts from a place that built racing yachts & it was in that nice beige. About 15 years ago I bought a large roll from Withams & relined a Shorland. Unfortunately it was maroon but I got the right colour by using Light Stone pinked up with red oxide. The problem was being matt, it rubbed of a bit around edges. I am currently relining another Shorland & am experimenting with various gloss paints. I bought very close to the right colour from B&Q unfortunately when I tried to pink it up I realised I was sold that water colour paint. I use a thixotropic glue but be wary as now foam just soaks glue up & collapses. I glue that grey sleeping roll on, wait for it to set, then trim it with a sharp blade then glue on the Trakmark. When that has set peel back the edges of the foam & glue in the edges of the Trakmark. You'll need to keep coming out for air!

Paul curiosity got the better of me & I looked in the electrical fault finding section but there was nothing covering your fault. Anyway here are the relevant sections of the circuit diagrams. Gauges 18 rev 19 temp 20 oil 21 fuel 22 air 1 23 air 2 24 air 3

Paul I have the complete set of DROPS FAESP. Are you going to the Bournemouth Airport do tomorrow? I can bring them & I have a battery reader if you bring a camera to copy what you need.

I think that's a very sensible move. Spotting things on the move, at a museum or just stopped off in a public car park is fair game but not locations of where people have stored their vehicles, even though to a casual eye they may look to have been abandoned.

Wayne assuming your grease gun doesn't leak try filling it with oil & see what it does. I think I bought my HP Lubricator before Dale got his collection. Mine was new & had the VAOS label still on:) They go for £30-£50 depending on condition. Sometimes you see some really filthy ones, but because they get so sticky they attract grime & dust. Once you clean them up they can look quite nice. No point in getting miffed with me. http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?18278-B-Series-amp-Pig-bits-NI-Kit-etc&highlight=pressure

I find is best done with an "Andy" Model 5000 High Pressure Lubricator Can be used for oil or grease. Ideally nice to have one for each. Dale had 3 but they are all long gone. A bit more tedious you could use:

Yes it almost sounded as if they could put their feet in them. Lots of rare LV9/BOE items maybe? Good thing, less chance of damaging the seal when injecting OIL through the OIL lubrication point. Not to be confused with squirting grease into the oil lubrication point as many do I'm afraid:shocked: Yes but if I did I would find the socket n'est ce pas? Yes I would have thought so, that sort of thing You're still talking about the Pig are you?:wow:

Hello Phil whereabouts are you in Devon? I spent the first 20 or so years of my life in Teignmouth. I think the first MV I saw was a Champ at a horse show in Newton Abbot, it was still in service at the time & I was excited as I too had a Champ, well a Dinky one.

Wayne that's a nice selection of pictures, one day you'll look back & think was it really as bad as that? Then when you collect your best Humber 1 Ton prize at W&P someone will say, well you were just lucky to have bought a nice one that didn't need much doing to it. MoP often think our vehicles are just bought at auction get a lick of paint then we drive them to a show! I wouldn't worry about the intricacies fiddling around with the windows, automotive first, fancy bits second. Although I imagine you took them out so you can leave it visored down for security. Your are very lucky that you have the underfloor lockers & they look intact enough to copy closely for replacements. I can understand the use of the large rear one but I have always been mystified by the small ones behind each of the front seats which are for the convenience of the crew. As they are hidden under floor panels they seem far from convenient. Most Pigs tend not to have these lockers, I must try see whether it is dependant contract or contractor. Yours as you know is ROF/W mine is ROF/N but doesn't have them (yet! as they will be useful for storage of emergency spares) You have the later type brake adjusters, which I have in stock if you need any. Your Tracta joint lubricators have been modified to the new location. So once you've done a bit of engine bay cleaning. I would see if you can get it to turn on the handle, having dripped some thin oil into each cylinder a day or so before. Then label & remove all rubber hoses & as I said, I can match you up to replacement lengths for most of the sizes.

Wayne nice to see it again. A good shot of the vertical armour clearly show this (as we already know of course) as ROF not Sankey. Nice to still have the electrical cages, the periscope holder (very rare), The Mk 1 switchboard rather than Mk 6, & early knurled cover for light in instrument cluster.

Wayne on the Series 2 forum they'll go crazy for details of your Serck radiater. There is a thread just on them & people are submitting their serial numbers with date codes of manufacture. So when are you going start the Pig thread? I know I've got my own pictures but the vegetation prevented any underneath shocks. So do you have early or late brake adjusters, were your Tracta/Chobham joint housing lubricators still in the original position, is your torque reaction bracket still welded to the chassis or had it been modified like most I've seen with 3 long bolts? These are all burning questions:-D

Yes I know, I was only teasing. Wayne set off from here at 0615

Just done a search on an old database & it shows both appear as "Tents, canvas" with separate NSNs & were current in 1999. PS Just done a search on a current data base & both still there!

Yes you have clear evidence of it being manufactured at least between 1977-87 it's odd that I can't tie it up with any literature. I have "Tents & Shelters in service & under development" from the Stores & Clothing R&DE dated 1973 but no mention of it, yet the 7x9 GP appears as 127-5553 on one digit away from your CP 127-5554 with is given no mention at all. One would have thought it was codified pretty much at the same time. Although the 7x9 GP is described as one use being a CP I have a 1974 Catalogue of Army Publications but no mention of 7x9 CP there. Moving on to 1981 I have "Joint Service Handbook of Tentage" & there is no mention of 7x9 CP there either as current or obsolete, but the 7x9 GP is described. I wonder if they were so similar that the one user handbook covered both types of 7x9? Although to have different NSNs there must be differences I wonder what they are? We have a 7x9 GP which lists it's first role as a CP but is not called a CP. Having said all that I'm not entirely confident with the literature on tentage. The first UHB on the 9x9 was fine, the UHB on the Mk 2 was fine. But when they reprinted the Mk 2 UHB they used many of the obsolete pictures for the Mk 1 & some of the text that no longer applied & got a number of Domestic Management Codes wrong that were previously correct!

Did you manage to get any photos Wayne?

Ah I've been rumbled it should not have any red oxide at all! The armour primer should be yellow chromate & I don't have any of that. I do have zinc chromate in Eau de Nil but that is reserved for the top coat of inside the cipher trailer. The red oxide I'm using has a higher consistency & more durable than the original primer. When I first restored it 25 years ago I was quite lavish with the red oxide & that has helped preserve it. I have needle gunned it all off & found no rust beneath the only rust is under areas that still have the original primer. I could have skipped much of this work I suppose, nobody is going to see it at a show but I want it to not need doing for another 25 years. Although I won't be around by then one has a sort of moral duty to try help it survive, especially as I believe it is the oldest surviving Shorland.

Thank you everyone for your kind words. Funnily enough I have just come in from painting some of the Shorland substructure & as I lay underneath with red oxide dribbling down my sleeve. I got a text from Daniel in NL telling to stay underneath the Shorland & not look on the forum as I would become red oxide in shade. I thought oh gawd I've upset someone so somewhat nervously came on, so that was a relief. Thank you. :red:

We all see vehicles we like & sometimes vehicles we may have an anxiety about in terms of authenticity. I have an information board to answer most FAQs & many owners do likewise. The dilemma is if one is still unsure about some feature, it can be difficult. Even posing a question can be taken as overt criticism & the owner can get shirty as it is seen as a challenge. It is often easier to just walk away rather than risk an upset. This subject has been covered before & although one can get overwhelmed at times by seemingly silly questions I would much sooner someone ask me than go away & post a picture on a web site for others to make inaccurate comments. I stumbled on a site where my Shorland was subject to comments I felt were inaccurate. Yes I was touchy about it because person to person you can explain things, but once on the internet it gets harvested & passed along. It was only by chance that I found this, I think I have been fairly restrained & at least once I had found it there is a right of reply. But I just wonder what other sites may have pictures of your vehicles & comments you know nothing about? http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number5338.asp?c=1991

I assume if we've entered, we just turn up, no passes as such needed?

I forgot about that article! Anyway I've scanned a couple of shots. It is designated as General Purpose so think it would be rather small to conduct command from within.

Thank you, those are super. I have seen very few pictures of the Mercedes, perhaps a reflection of how short a time they were in service? Although the EMER I have is dated July 1974, this seems rather late but the Servicing Schedule is dated Jan 1971. Yes charging around with a half-full tank would make for an interesting ride. The RUC Commers although some were grey, towards the end of their RUC use most were in a sort olive drab. After they were withdrawn from RUC use & stored at Thorburn Road photos, although B&W, show Commers in both colours although no disruptive pattern.