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Are there any updates of these two Pigs?

Richard your MERLIN is different from mine, I haven't got any disposal locations & it gives the date as 15/11/93. Although that is wrong as I have a scan of the Chilwell ledger which shows it was Struck Off at VSD NI on 24/6/93, but Struck Off again on 14/1/94 to Dalton Barracks, where I assume it has been a gate guardian?

An engine & a gearbox would have been a good start : (

This is a very accurate copy of a plate fitted inside the cab on a "Mk2". We had ten of these made & they formed the basis of an award at W&P for the best Humber 1 Ton (of any variant) The award was in memory of my friend & prolific Humber owner, Dale Prior who died in 2010 & is commemorated on the reverse of the brass plate. Something unusual about this award it was not necessarily for the prettiest example, but one that had the greatest originality AND showed evidence of being serviced correctly and regularly. The paint finish, number of accoutrements, flags etc were irrelevant!

My eagle-eyed friend in The Netherlands spotted this: https://www.brightwellslive.com/timed-sale/5365/lot/603537 Although some of the MOD provided details lack accuracy.

This is the type of chassis plate you should see. It was removed from a "Mk2" Pig that was being cut up, but the plate has nothing whatever to do with its up-armouring & conversion to "Mk2" This is the original plate when it was converted 1959-60 to a Pig as a real Mk2. I know this because the Asset Code given is 310119-01-777 but in 1966 the Asset Code became 1765-0501. This new code or VESPER Code was to make it manageable by ADP (Automatic Data Processing) systems. If you had the record card it would be stamped "ADP CON" meaning that the coding had been converted for this new management system. When it was up-armoured to so called "Mk2" the Asset Code changed to 1765-2501 if it was retained as FFR, but many were converted to APC role & became 1760-2501. This 4-digit + 4-digit coding system persists to this day, although the MOD seem unaware that the present method of coding is quite different from the original structuring. Up until recently there were still some Sankey trailers on census, by using current MOD coding system they would seem to be LHD diesel powered trucks!! I would be interested to see your chassis or cab plates. Incidentally "A" suffix indicates not fitted with a winch, "B" indicates fitted with a winch.

There should be two main data plates & sometimes a third on a Mk 2 Pig. The chassis plate is 6in x 3in, put your head in front of the front wheel on passenger's side & it should be vertically in front of you on the chassis. The contract plate for the body is 6in x 1in is inside the cab on the passenger's side attached to the body just below the windscreen. With a Mk 2, if the scuttle armour is still present, you will not be able to see this as it relates to when it was converted from a GS truck to armoured truck 1959-60. There may be an additional plate somewhere on the driver's side 6in x 3in that relates to its conversion to Mk 2 June 1972 -Sept 1973. Depending on the contract & whether the Pig conversion was done by Sankey or Royal Ordnance Factories it may say Mk2 , but this predates the uparmoured conversion into the so called Mk2. This is because the real Mk1 Pig were those 20 prototypes built in 1956, the production Pig was the real Mk2, so some plates are marked Mk2 & some are left blank on the Mk space. The Army forgot that the production Pig was the real Mk 2 and incorrectly took it to be the Mk 1. So when they were uparmoured they called them Mk2 but should really have called them Mk3 !! There is sometimes a chassis number visible stamped into the chassis when you look down into the engine bay in the vicinity of the chassis plate when you look down onto the chassis. It is quite unusual to see this as time, grot, rust, paint & oil can obscure it.

Morning Paul no such variant listed in the 97 variants in the ISPL. So you are expecting a very wet & frosty winter then?

John JSP 371 is the the Joint Service Manual on Pest Control. JSP 71 is in two volumes

Yes JSP71

Jim as a follower of the thread just interested to know how you fixed it?

Ah ok thanks for that Citroman

Thanks for the various suggestions. The inner filter is indeed a fine blue foam but the outer is entirely folded paper. What struck me odd was that the markings at each end were in the same relative positions, suggesting it was something to do with the way they should be fitted in, but that must just be a coincidence.

I have just replaced both the Donaldson air filters in my Wolf. I have not noticed this before, but at each end of both filters it is marked >PUR< It looks as if it is important to be marked in this way, but I can see no special structural difference or keyway that the marking might indicate. I have goggled but found nothing. Any ideas please?

Jim I had a similar problem on a Pig once. The main fuse strip had melted because one of the screws holding the spare fuses had loosened & was making contact with one of the fuse terminals. But there were obvious signs of smoke debris as well as the loose retaining screw. I'm sure you realise that the red charge light will illuminate to indicate a maximum charge rate of 5A when the top cap is unscrewed. When replaced it should be fully screwed in to press the input & output wading covers to press down on the micro-switches & establish the full charge rate..

Here's the scan. The figures on the right are the prices achieved & the other figures are what the dealer was prepared to bid. He didn't seem to have been too successful on this page.

I don't know that there was a sale on 31/12/62 perhaps it was the date that it was struck off census? 59RB00 was sold on the second day of Sale No.68 on Wed 24/4/63 Lot No.706 for £450

Kem the only picture I have of it is preserved at a show next to a Green Goddess, I expect you have seen that. Sorry no prices on this page.

Here you go. I believe the annotations are the hammer prices rather than the buyer's bids. Note 313 Champ sold for £15 marked "No" so it must have been a bit rough & obviously not on this buyer's shopping list. A couple of years ago I spoke to Mr Hanson of W,W & H and asked him how did they calculate the reserve price? He said it was based on previous sales of similar vehicles. Dealers obviously knew this and found it helpful to record prices from previous sales to tailor their bids accordingly.

Phil, 16BH45 sold for £60 as did the one before 08BC68 & after 11BC51 Kem, I have no price for 59AM19 I'm afraid

I see 00 FK 83 had signage over the cab, below is an alternative on 00 FK 50

Matthew assuming you are looking for a hazard switch mod in EMER WHEELED VEHICLES V 627, I cannot find such a mod listed in my 1983 detailed index EMER WHEELED VEHICLES A 001. It doesn't detail Mod Nos 1 - 62. But I see turn lights were introduced in Mod No.74 so any hazard switch must post date that. So there are details of Mod Nos 63-124 but no hazard switch. Are you sure that this was an in-service mod? Although I suppose it might have been covered for limited use in an LTI (Local Technical Instruction) or Local EMEI eg N.Ireland, BAOR etc?

Richard, I doubt that any of those publications would be found on-line Your best bet is to visit the REME Museum, they are most likely to hold any of those. Tim, that is superb.

Phew! It has taken an hour to get the web page to refresh so that I can add Associated Publications. Parts List WO Code No. 17812 Servicing Schedule WO Code No. 10790 Table of Tools & Equipment WO Code No. 18339 Technical Handbook EMER VEHICLES GENERAL Q 523/3

Due to my appalling internet speed of about 50kbs or worse I can only see the lead picture. From what I can see it looks a fairly complete item from circa 1955 and would be a nice project as it is quite a rare thing. Body, Water Tank, 100 Gallon, Mk I (Mounted on Trailer 1/2 Ton, 2 Whld, Mk I UHB is WO Code No.17833