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There is a redacted Maintenance Schedule here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/423603/response/1028482/attach/4/20170828 FOI2017 07816 Charlton WDTK 2320 D 128 601 sent final.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

I fitted an in-line fuse behind the dash to feed the socket. That gave protection for any accessories I then plugged in. It also gave protection for the +ve socket itself as the insulation from the metal dash is just a piece of folded cardboard. Also it gave protection as the Lucas 2-pin plug leaves a live terminal exposed. There are some fully insulated AM plugs that fit exactly, but be very careful as the ones I bought were shorting plugs! As a protection against reversed polarity you could fit a diode in series with your +ve connection.

Just watch out as this supply is not fused.

These are rather fun. I buy them if they are cheap enough & no I don't pinch them from the road side! Other themes I have seen are Moon, Sun, Lion, Elephant etc I don't know what the criteria are for text or symbol. I hate to think it, but are symbols more modern because of current educational limitations? Especially when the two lower ones could give rise to confusion?

Yes it is a shame, but the lockers are not original. The moderator says it is a veteran of N.Ireland, there is no evidence to suggest that, particularly still with the Warner socket & the early tow hitch. He is wrong to say they were manufactured by Rootes, the chassis was, but the Pig armoured body was manufactured by ROF or Sankey. Aspects of the body suggest this was made by ROF.

Sold for £3,300 I tried to find out the ERM or chassis no. from the seller, but he just sent me a picture of the body contract plate. Anyone on here buy it?

This is a page from a Ruddington catalogue annotated by J.Hirst himself. No winch & good tyres!

Andy I have recovered these pics from an old thread on another site that I took part in.

If I'm thinking of the right Merlin Jones, I saw him with his family at Capel last month.

Not very good as I had to use my camera then reduce in size to upload as I have no broadband just using a watery phone link from the roof to communicate. What would really interest you I think is JSP 71 Vol 1 covering road, rail, sea & air Stalwart transport. But it is over 30 pages & too much time & effort & not enough bandwidth. Could scan the odd key pages but not all of it I'm afraid.

Mark I'm afraid I know very little about Air Publications. But I assume there would be regular updates in some catalogue of APs which in itself would be an AP. It is hard enough finding these catalogues for Army publications and they only show a snapshot of time when particular equipments were in service. The structure of APs changed dramatically in about 1970. Given the limited time & quantity of Stalwarts in RAF service, I think any APs would be few instead with heavy reliance on the range of Army publications. As you may know the RAF Stores Vocabulary AP 1086 lists MT vehicle specific spares in Section 61 with 61AS for Alvis vehicles. These days this would mean 61AS would be the DMC preceding an NSN. Cataloguing of Complete Vehicles is 16A (the A here has nothing to to with Alvis & applies to all complete vehicles) Vehicles were given 2-page descriptions in AP 278E Book 1. I have the Argosy tie-down instructions & diagrams for Stalwart in AP 101B-2401-11B (Formerly AP 4221D Air Portability Supplement) Army Code No. 9311, 1970. I also have somewhere a larger more general air transport tie-down book that covers from large vehicles to concrete mixers.

I doubt it as it is not listed in AC No.12123 Part V Index of CES Nov. 2000 or the previous edition in 1999. They are not very good at keeping publications for obsolete equipment.

Found this one for you, it is a Simple CES. AC No.44800 INSTALLATION KIT, Electronic equipment, radio station, UK/VRC 353 in Truck, Cargo, HMLC, Mk 2 (FFR) Z1/5820-99-965-5670 this is the NSN of the kit not the UK/VRC 353

Mark yes there should in theory at least be a Complex CES that comprises the equipment (in this case a vehicle) with its own Simple CES that when fitted with additional equipment (and with its own Simple CES) then forms the Complex CES for the whole system. CES Simple & Complex are listed in Army Code No.12123 Part V. I have three of these the oldest being 1984 where it is simple to find the Simple CES as it is listed under the equipment/vehicle title. Indeed it lists the four Simple CES that you know about. Complex CES is more complex because it lists the additional equipment by name which is fair enough but sometimes it lists "Installation kit for..." So it will take some searching as there are 203 pages. It is quite unusual to find a Complex CES but they are something of a disappointment. Often it will only list three items: The designation of main equipment/vehicle & its Simple CES The designation of the ancillary equipment & its Simple CES The Army Code No. of the Complex CES (ie the document you have in your hand!!) But at least can get to find out the Army Code No of the Simple CES for the additional equipment.

Yes that will give you a good grounding in FV1600 development. We wrote that 25 years ago & a lot more information has since come to light. For instance I photocopied all the NI REME SITREPS that had any reference to Humbers, this is where I discovered Op Marble. Apart from my own digging & collecting, Wally has come up with some unique material. PS I think there were only 600 copies printed. The reason being that above this level photographic copyright fees would have made the project uneconomic.

WM in answer to 4(a) Not a straight swap. The vehicle pulley has 7 grooves & the radio pulley has 4 grooves. They can be swapped over if you remove pulley nut with a rattle gun, do not try to clamp the pulley it is easily damaged. The basic alternator is the same except the rear terminals & connectors are rather different for each but they can be re-arranged, Bear in mind there is an AC output from the vehicle alternator that acts as a rev counter output that is used in vehicles fitted with EEGR. I can't see how a failing alternator could gradually bring your vehicle to a halt. In what way was it unable to start? Just nothing or engine turned over but wouldn't fire? What do you mean by the wrong batteries were fitted? I can't remember off hand what vehicle batteries were original fit, but I believe at some stage they changed. Bear in mind that the original vehicle batteries did not need to be vented but the radio ones did. When I fitted two vehicle batteries from Halfords 10 years ago (still going strong) I put venting pipes to connected into the radio battery venting system.

I have just entered the ERM for a couple of Pigs I used to own in the RLC search & they hold scans of those, but not unfortunately for yours. Of the 200 odd Pigs "recovered" in 1972 it seems relatively few were from private owners. Operation Marble to assess the time taken to get the Pigs usable again found that the process took twice as long as expected. For a good grounding in the story of the Humber FV1600 series look out for this book. But don't pay a silly price. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384353504933?hash=item597d410ea5:g:yu8AAOSw7-hhJ-d- or worse still: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/398052163X/ref=olp-opf-redir?aod=1&condition=used&tag=bookfinder-test-b-21 If you can't find any cheaper PM me.

Your Pig was once a Truck 1 Ton (not tonne) GS 4x4 Humber FV1601 delivered on 21/1/54 to 62nd B Vehicle Depot Eglington in Ayrshire part of 6th Vehicle Group HQ Georgetown in Renfrewshire with Receipt Voucher EGL/R/2357 under Contract: CARGO 6/V/6443 Engine No.6682 FV1601 see below Incidentally the Pig was Struck Off Census on 15/5/67 often people assume the sale date was the SO date. PS Well done Wally for following that up. Very often museums have people in charge with all the museum qualifications but know little about the artefacts they are meant to be caring for.

That is interesting as the upper plate shows 169 & the lower one 120. I think the reason is that the lower one is the SN of the chassis conversion & the upper one is the SN of the bodywork. For instance on trailers the frame has a SN but the body a different SN, sometimes even from a different manufacturer.

Andy looks as if you have a good basis to work with. Interesting that the chassis plate has been stamped, this is unusual as it looks as that is the final date of conversion from FV1601 to Pig FV1611. There should also be a narrower plate below the front passenger window also bearing the stamping R.O.F.W.120 So it was made at Royal Ordnance Factory Woolwich serial number 120. The other manufacturers were Sankey and R.O.F. Nottingham. The 3-digit serials for these prefixed S and R.O.F.N. respectively. Before you charge in with making new front wings bear in mind they have a locker on the front of each wing & underneath supported by diagonal U channels. Wings replaced during damage in NI were of slightly thicker steel, had no lockers & supported underneath by a pair of parallel U channels. The locker lids are difficult to make, I sold my spares not long ago. But I did see two rough locker lids at a show last month. So you never know what can turn up.

Andy that Pig has done the rounds a bit, so no longer on display at Brixham. I think I once supplied them with a track rod end. Can you post the link back to when it cropped up on the forum before as I think I answered the post with all the info I had at the time, so no point in repeating what I posted as it takes a bit of rummaging this end. You know it was sold off for £70 in 1967 for instance? It is a 'B' Vehicle If the history card for this has evaporated. You might be able to glean some info if you gently rub down the paintwork on the sloped armour above radiator looking for unit & divisional emblems. Similarly the rear body (but not the doors) may yield something. Don't be disappointed if you find no Union Flag markings front or rear (mid point at apex of armour above door) absence of these would suggest it was not with BAOR. Hopefully it didn't get shot blasted by a previous owner. Some photos of yours would be good & I can tell you what features are likely to be original or if there are ghastly embellishments by a previous owner. Looking at the Brixham photo the front wings are rather obviously not original. In your rubbings down look for any stencilling probably in white, these are vehicle depot markings & may yield something. They were meant to be over-painted on issue to a unit. Although sometimes owners find these markings & reproduce them but they then dress up the vehicle with kit depicting a role within a unit, but on active service these markings would never be seen. Large numerals in white paint somewhere on the front of the vehicle not painted with any great finesse would indicate the lot number at Ruddington.

OK Mark I understand, I'm afraid I don't have the missing bits only the cataloguing lists. This below ties in the NSNs & Asset Codes with available documentation including the 4 types of CES as at March 1991 from REME BAOR lists of B & E Vehicles.

Mike glad it is of use. Strictly speaking the Technical Handbook is the complete EMER sequence for that equipment, V 642 is just the Technical Description (albeit for Mk 1) not the Handbook. You will see that from A 001 there are no references to V 647/2 or V 649/2. So it looks as if all mods & instructions for Mk1, Mk2 or both are all covered in V 647 & V 649. This seems to be the case as I have lists for V 647 & V 649 that describe the broad heading but also indicate whether it applied to Mk1, Mk2 or both and also Mk2 and derivatives. I see you have V 647 marked as orange does that mean you have it? Does it indicate the applicable Mk? What I have are not the EMER indexes but lists of mods & instructions compiled by BAOR. These lists define if the mods & instructions are Unit, Field or Base tasks. It also indicates the time allocated for each task.

Not other than what is in A 001, although **7 & **9 will often have an index of the section they preface. The structure of EMERs is in following form but may not include all sections. There is provision for 1000 Regulations in each EMER Section. These are divided into two blocks: 1. General Regulations for the Section contained in 000-099. 2. Specific Regulations for the Section contained in 100-999. The final digit defines the category of the information: 0 Data Summary. 1 Operator’s Instructions. 2 Technical Description sometimes divided further into: Part 1 – Technical Description. Part 2 – Fault-finding & Repair Data. 3 Unit Repairs. 4 Field & Base Repairs sometimes divided further into: Part 1 – Field Repairs. Part 2 – Base Repairs. 5 Preparation for special Function e.g. waterproofing, air transportation etc. 6 Preferred Repair Schedules. 7 Modification Instruction. 8 Inspection Standard. 9 Miscellaneous Instruction. The Regulations 0-9 represent the Technical Handbook for the equipment although there may not be information published in all the categories. Sometimes relatively small amounts of information, particularly relating to repairs normally covered in category 3 and 4, may be combined into category 2 which has provision for this occurrence. On the other hand where a handbook would be very large or the equipment very complex the handbook would be constructed around a system of chapters. There were four levels of repair, Unit, Field, Intermediate, and Base. These levels are only approximate and facilities would vary according to the role of the parent regiment. Early EMERs refer to levels of repair from 1st to 4th echelon. The workshops with higher levels of repair would receive all the EMERs, but the lower levels only the details for repairs that were their responsibility.