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12x12 Tent End Sections and Main Section Differences...Plus MK1 to MK3 Questions

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Hi Mates!

 

Got some Questions about the 12x12 i cant come along wit an answer...

 

In MY oppinion the Main Sections and the End Sections MUST be "counted" in different ways, and you can´t just say it is a MK1,2 or 3 Tent, right???

 

Maybe someon can count the different end sections for me first?

 

Types i know:

 

MK1: GS (MK1?) - Just a straight wood toggled openening in the Middle from bottom to top

MK1: Passageway - rollup square opening with lashes on outside to connect a "Tunnel", no mozzie net and

no zipper?

END SECTION MK1 WITH PASSAGEWAY ATTACHMENT 8340-99-369-1162

MK1: Penthouse Connetion?!? - never seen, does it exist? To connect it to an FV Penthouse Tent?!?!

 

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MK2: GS? with rollup square opening with mozzie net and Zippers

 

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MK3: GS? same as GS MK2 + Ventilation Opening on Top ?

MK3: FOR SHELTER CATERIIGOFCS 8340-99-147-7465 Whats te difference to the "normal" one?

 

and - what is this one here exactly?

 

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29649&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1277218815

 

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Roof and Wall Sections....

 

MK1: - seen a very old one with Vent openings on top...

MK1: GS - The normal one....

MK1: Catering?!?

 

MK2: ??????

 

MK3: Catering

MK3: With Velco for Ground Sheet and Side Panel for Heating applications (or is THAT MK2)

 

Please Help me Out :-)

 

I Also Know There is a Passageway "Tunnel" + a 4-sided Connector Tent to dock tents and Landy´s..

 

Is there a Connection between the 9x9 MK3 and the 12x12?

 

and at least

 

PATTERN.... ("99Pattern" for example) Does pattern mean the "COLOUR" or does it also mean "MODEL"?

 

The newer Tents i seen looks more blue-greenish than the old ones which looks more brown-olive...when did this change?

 

so many questions, thanks for your Help!

 

Cheers Gung

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Gung I'm not quite sure of all the points you are making or indeed all the questions.

 

Apart from the question of extensions, there are two types of 12x12.

 

I think the photo (without roof vents) is:

 

SHELTER, PORTABLE, MOBILE AIR MOVEMENTS SECTION 12ft X 12ft J1/8340-99-127-6333

 

Then more commonly there is:

 

SHELTER, GENERAL PURPOSE 3.6m x 3.6m (12ft x 12ft) J1/8340-99-120-8579

 

Sometimes fitted with:

 

SHELTER, GENERAL PURPOSE 3.6m x 3.6m (12ft x 12ft) EXTENSION J1/8340-99-135-9601

 

 

Furthermore SHELTER, GENERAL PURPOSE 3.6m x 3.6m (12ft x 12ft) J1/8340-99-120-8579 was a replacement other shelters of similar size:

 

SHELTER PORTABLE No.12 Mk 2 J1/8340-99-120-3743

 

SHELTER PORTABLE UNIVERSAL ASSEMBLY 'A' J1/8340-99-462-4682

 

SHELTER PORTABLE UNIVERSAL ASSEMBLY 'B' J1/8340-99-462-4683

 

SHELTER PORTABLE UNIVERSAL ASSEMBLY 'C' J1/8340-99-462-4666

 

SHELTER PORTABLE UNIVERSAL ASSEMBLY 'D' J1/8340-99-942-4591

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I think he was referring to the different types of canvas for the shelters? Mk1 Signals end for instance had windows and a mesh allong the top with a canvas flap over which is very different to the usual Mk1 end.

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Hi!

 

Ok, mayby to many and complicated questions to describe them proper for my poor english....

 

What I think - You may have a NSN for the hole Tent/Shelter in complete ... and also you will have a NSN for the single parts...

 

-Wall and Roof Section

-End Section

-Brackets

-Pins ...........

 

BUT! -

 

There is not only one type of end section, there are mayby 5 to 10 different all together

marked with a specific name(and NSN), as GS, Catering, Passageway.... And you may also have different MK´s

 

as you may have an old Catering section maybe called MK1 and an improved one called MK3

 

Same with the Main (Wall and Roof) Section....

 

Right?!?!?

 

Cheers Gung

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Gung in addition to those types I mentioned above there is:

 

SHELTER, LIGHTWEIGHT 3.6m x 3.6m (12ft x 12ft) J1/8340-99-120-6736

 

PASSAGEWAY, SHELTER, STRAIGHT J1/8340-99-130-2183

 

PASSAGEWAY, SHELTER, STRAIGHT EXTENSION J1/8340-99-130-2301

 

PASSAGEWAY, SHELTER, 4-WAY CONNECTOR J1/8340-99-130-2184

 

I can't find any references to specific roles such as catering in the later tentage. The obsolete ones I mentioned like Assembly 'C' was mobile blacksmith/mobile cookhouse, 'D' bakery oven. But these were rather different in construction to the 12x12.

 

Yes you are correct that within each NSN for a complete shelter the component parts have their own individual NSNs. If there are any of them that you want me to identify I can see what parent shelter they were designed to match up to.

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Hi Clive!

 

Thank you for your detailled answer!

 

I will try to have a look for some different Pics where i can also verify the NSN´s

 

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12x12 Shelter Lightweight?! Never seen - is ist an old version with thinner Canvas, or a new one wich is just in Service?

 

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As i have a Penthouse Tent from an FV, (might be from an FV432 command post)but no Poles and Frames at all -

 

- Have you ever seen an end section to close the tent when the FV is dismoutet? I seen that the FV itself is

the last "frame", but maybe the tent can also be errectet freestanding?!?

- Have you ever seen an FV Penthouse attached to an 12x12? Hopefully this is the same Size as the Passageway

addon´s, but i think this is just in my dreams compartible...

- Do you have pictures and/or of the Poles and Brackets usually used for the Penthouse FV Tent?!

 

Next summer i will try to set up the penthouse tent and make a frame for it... if the 12x12 cross brackets will have the same angle i could try it with them... if you will have correct mesurements for the Poles it would be a big Help!

 

Cheers Gung

 

 

......aaahhh found this:

 

http://www.fv432apc.com/fv432webzine/issuetwo/ces/fv432_penthouse.html

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Gung the lightweight 12x12 was principally for the RAF.

 

I don't have details of modern stuff I'm afraid. All the tentage I have mentioned appears in the Joint Service Handbook of Tentage JSP 361 plus the details of individual tents in supplements JSP 361/1 - JSP 361/22. These are all from the 1980s.

 

I also have Stores & Clothing Research Development Establishment "Tents & Shelters in Service & under Development" 1973. Plus a few hand books & Equipment Table Schedule 3184/4 for the 12x12 GP.

 

That was a nice link to the FV432 shelter. There are a few other odd shelters here: http://www.hmvf.co.uk/pdf/SHELTERS.pdf

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