wally dugan

WHATS the distance between the wheels it look like the front set of a four wheeled trolley like the ones used years ago on railway stations for luggage

HI JOHN you may be interested to know if you do not already know 02 FX 32 is a 1970 /71 registration 01 HW 24 is listed as a 1979/80

HI l am ready to give the answer if you look at post 19 dates are given when the MOKES left CHERTSEY there where only eight sent there Six left between 1960 to 1963 these would have there BT numbers one was struck of charge but no date given the last left in 1969 but it was not unusual when a vehicle had been trialed to remain on site for some time after for years also l have learnt more about the workings of CHERTSEY FACT numbers given to vehicles where not issused in numerical order and in some cases up to three different numbers applied to the same vehicle RIGHT 20 BT 29 WAS ISSUSED IN 1961 l have now pictures of this vehicle and referance to it in a military audit also l have a book showing this vehicle at a exhibition in 1962 so 20 BT 30 was issused in 1961 l am as sure as l can be l emailed this information to graham last night as l thought it fair he was the first to know REGARDS WALLY

GRAHAM the book of army vrns l have shows the DM range of numbers ran from 1961 to 1962

HI this one was trialed by the RAF GRAHAM makes mentioned of it

l have just seen this a bit of history the last prototypes where made 1964 the military had decided not to go ahead with the moke project in 1963 for the well known problem l have emailed graham and explained what is happening l promise to post the results when l am happy and at least 90% certain what l say with the information that l have at this time l have had to rely on peoples memories while l have to trust what they remember from years back as l know how important this is to graham please bear with me regards wally

if you go on to the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM SITE click on aquisiton and disposal policy then on the left side of page up comes reports /accounts /review this brings up along list of yearly reports take your pick 2005 onwards

If you go on the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM website look under council reports there is list going back some years the last one is for 2012 to 2013 in there is the DISPOSALS and the terms of the items disposal IE sold /transfered

TONY LOOK at the picture in barts book MILITARY DIRECTORY from 1945 page 176 its not the MOKE its the ANT

JOHN NOW l have found details of 20 BT 29 it is only the start l now have to find details of 20 BT 31 when l find details of this one hopefully not only will l be able to give the year but the month and day A visit to my old boss came up with pictures of 20 BT 29 and more importantly its establishment number before it was given the reg 20 BT 29 after this is all double checked l will gladly post the information on here but up to now it has taken me six hours with tea stops to get this far REGARDS WALLY

TONY You and your memory what about the SINGER CHAMOIS BORROWED one from a girlfriends mother to take her to a dance in north yorkshire the girl friend not the mother on the way back the cylinder head went A comon fault on the imp and the chamois broke down in the middle of no where no mobile phones no phone box so at to stay with the car till first light when a farmer came to the rescue her mother never talk to me again PS happy days

excuse me IF YOU READ THE OTHER TREAD ON THIS SUBJECT l have helped GRAHAM when l have all the facts l will give them to him without any prompting

HI GRAHAM l have all ready found the date of issuse for 20 BT 29 will wait to see if you get any other response from other forum members

THANK YOU MARK I agree with you but l was interviewed by BBC LOOK NORTH IN 1997 where l was asked my thought on the future of the museum collection how sad for me and the staff to see it come true six years later l still have a copy of that interview to remind me of both sad and happy times and good friends

FACT the collection had been owned by the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM since 1997 after it was transfered by the MOD BY ACT OF PARLIAMENT on the 27 DECEMBER of that year l know l was involved its recorded in HANSARD

sorry you are wrong none of the vehicles went to leconfield from the museum the only things that where at leconfield where the transporters for fuel this is how rumours start

THE last l heard it was still in storage with the NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM in 1993/4 we had three ABBOTS all in for refurb l keep track of the vehicle collection that was at BEVERLEY one day l must write a book about BEVERLEY WARTS AND ALL

HI GRAHAM Hope you enjoyed your lunch what i am hoping is that l can date 20 BT 29/30/31 or at least come up with a aproxamate date my old boss spent a long time at CHERTSEY first going there in 1957 he is still a live and has a very good memory we talk and meet often like me he has still some records from his time there so l will pick his brain about the MOKE PROJECT from what l know l think we have accounted for all the ARMY prototypes but how many where made where all the prototypes for the military because thats who BMC saw them as the only customer and military contracts where rewarding REGARDS WALLY

HI GRAHAM got your e mail To the matter in hand 1 if l can locate the issue vouchers for the MOKES it should tell us when they came to CHERTSEY AND in what order by chassis number 2 confirm the establishment number which we already know this then may also give us the link to the reg numbers as to the moke TAJ 919 H it does look like the holes in the wings are for sidelights this a requirement for civillian vehices As to moke 20 BT 30 ITS easy to date that number as the number BEFORE 20 bt 29 was a Bedford RLW and 20 BT 31 was a HUMBER STAFF CAR ALSO 20 BT 30 IS out of sequence may be it was delivered late REGARDS WALLY

HI GRAHAM GOT your email this morning as to the matter in hand if l can find the issuse vouchers for the MOKES this will do the following 1 give the date of arrival at CHERTSEY and in what order by chassis number 2 confirm there establishment number though we already know this

HI Quote from 1941 vehicle markings on motor cycles and motor combinations the unit sign will be painted on each forward end of the petrol tank and on the rear mud guard regards wally

HI GRAHAM Bye george you have got it that simple l will look for the issue vouchers that will tell us when they came into CHERTSEY AND TAKEN ON CHARGE as we know when they left as to 07 RN 49 this number would have been allocated when it went on user trials with the ROYAL MARINES IF it returned to CHERTSEY its BT number would be re fitted RECARDS WALLY

HI GRAHAM STILL on question 3 this from the CHERTSEY HAND BOOK section 4 quote [ BT numbers will be issused to the following CLASSES of vehicles on user trials. Cars on under cover operations northern ireland ] as to dating numbers in the BT range you will find differcult To under stand a range of numbers starts like this first one 00 BT 01 UP to 99 BT 99 and are issused on a first come first served A block of numbers will be issued to a project but as vehicles may not all come in at once but spread over a period of time l do not know what you mean by what do the first two numbers stand for Hope this answers all of question 3 regards WALLY

HI BMC gave up on the idea of selling the MOKE to the military in about 1963 but sold the moke in the civillian market up to 1968 in which time they became an icon of the swinging 60s the thing to be seen in around LONDON after 1968 mokes were built in AUSTRALIA also very few of the military ones were made REGARDS WALLY

SORRY THING POSTED before l finished the list SIR MILES THOMAS NUFFIELD GROUP MR R ROOTES OF ROOTES GROUP MR T SKIPPER OF DENNIS MOTORS LTD MR A A LAIRDET OF LEYLAND MOTORS LTD no one from AUSTIN l know other manufactures where not present date of meeting 14/12/1945 file number GS[W] 2291 PART ONE OF TWO REGARDS WALLY