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I wish I could find a crusader eka for sale and at the right price daz

I have a project Crusader 35T RE Tractor at the right price !

Hi Folks,

I know this question has been asked many times before but..... anyone tell me where i can get some Avon Trackgrip 1100 x 20 , the jolly old bar grips that resemble the 1940's issue .... but at a reasonable non rip-off price ?

 

They must still make them, but ....they don't seem to want to advertise them anywhere!!

 

All the best folks

 

Fred

How many do you want ?

As stated in the above reply I have actually seen a Champ water pump impeller that had completely eroded away, hence no flow through the system.

Shame there isn't a "Like" button. Well done.

There is a like button on the u tube clip !

Followed a GMC 353 heading south on the A50, it turned right into Alsager village. It looked absolutely magnificent, it could have just rolled off the production line.

That could well be the one which is now in the motor clinic Stoke with a broken rear axle tie rod which I saw on Saturday, nicely painted but zero evidence of esential maintenance. If VOSA saw that truck they would reinstate testing for all vehicles !

Call in and have a look Ray

Saw a Leyland Hippo on a low loader heading north on the M5 between Weston Super Mare and Taunton this afternoon.

Ah the same truck is now residing in Bolton, it now belongs to the owner of the transport company who were moving it. It will be at Wickstead MVT national show.

Congratulations Andy, mind you with the company that you keep it was inevitable that at some point you would "need" a piece of tracked armour !

Of course the CVRT is a good choice, leaves you plenty of chance to move UP to a CET ! Not that you are unfamiliar with the internals having spent the best part of a day sorting out my comms !

John.

Do you know what the winches are off ?

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I will be there with the REO.

Champ in the background of first picture of it in service.

Cheers, you're a star.

 

Most trips, I get a lot of tools from a great boot-sale in Oakington, but given the time restraints of the trip I don't want to risk having to run around and get the usual stuff. I pretty much have to strip the major bits off the Acmat, paint them and bolt it back together in 14 days.

 

Will have to see now if the price goes too high.

If Rick can't collect, I am also in Stockport and will help out if at all possible.

John.

Yes, they both have SOMA axles, are you confusing the S26 tanker

with the T45 re-cabbed Bison version?

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The only difference I found on the S26 tanker/tractor axles is the bracketing for the radius arms and the diff ratios. The S26 has both inter axle and cross axle diff locks, I believe the Crusader only had an inter axle lock.

Yes that is where I'm confused. So does the S26 Tanker also have hub reduction ? seen plenty of them at Withams recently but never really looked at the axles. Crusader 35T RE Tractor only has inter-axle locks, the Crusader EKA has cross locks as well.

Hi,

I work for JCB here in the UK (not the dealer the factory), first off Cosrec what is your issue with JCB, second what do you need to know Richard if Ican help within the guidelines of our technical publications department I will.

Its certainly a big truck. Seen them at shows for years but a lots of truck to carry 2.5tons...

It's carrying capacity on highway is actually 5 tons, the 2.5 tons is cross country rating.

Upgrade from Motorbike they said. It's easy they said. Damned if I can lean this thing around the corner.

looks like he is having a little problem with the steering brake on the left side !

No, with 295/80 22.5 which are almost the same diameter as 10.00R20. You would get a further 10% with 12.00R20.

Not sure why you think the diff locks would be a problem??

The tankers used a 12R22.5 tyre on an 8.25" rim with a single spacer but the 12R22.5 tyres are nominally 292mm wide compared with 12.00R20 at 313mm.

The tankers were outside of C&U regs, IIRC they grossed at 30 tons laden, 24t on the bogie and 6t on the front. The rear springs were definitely +2 leaves on the tractor I had here.

Evening Mike,

I thought the axle diff locks would work on the old diff and changing them over would render them inoperative. I have no manuals or parts books for the SOMA axles so do not know the internal layout. I don't doubt you at all but am still surprised that you can take the diffs out of a tanker with British made axles and transfer them into the SOMA French built axles with no problems... or am I missing something ?

John.

Paul, you are both right and wrong, the one you did for Leconfield was from Rush Green but not the last one.

 

A few years ago Alan Buckingham of Hinkley tried to by 12DM60 off me when I owned it, when we agreed it was not for sale at the time I told him of the 3 Mk3's residing in Rush Green, the very next day he went and bought 2 of them, one of which he restored to a very fine condition, the other was used for "spares" but never got restored. Alan very suddenly had some health problems and decided to dispose of the majority of his large vehicles. The 2 Antars were sold to a well known dealer in that area and subsequently both passed to an owner in Norfolk. The unrestored one eventually found its way to you and became the Leconfield gate guardian.

 

I have it on good authority that the 3rd Mk3 Antar was still in Rush Green Motors in October this year (2012). About 6 years ago I did speak to a MV Enthusiast in the Yorkshire area by telephone who said he had bought the 3rd Antar from Rush Green but had not had time to collect it, he even discussed how he was going to get it out and bring it home, as I recall being surprised that he was planning a suspended tow. I have "misplaced" the contact details of the Yorkshire MV Enthusiast so cannot confirm that he still owns the one still stood in Rush Green.

 

Not sure if the restored ex-Rush Green MK3 is still in Norfolk but I am sure the "Antar book" will reveal this ? Mike B ?

I can confirm that the last of the 3 Rush Green ANTAR Mk3's was still there at 6.15pm last Wednesday when I passed by.

Theoretical V max will be 70mph but will give a sensible 55mph cruise. Most of the tankers will have done nominal miles but in my case with just 40k miles on the clock the bearings were in a terrible state, I assume with the short journeys the diff oil never got hot enough to evaporate any condensation that built up. I was also going to convert the trailing axle to spring brakes as I had all the parts but Clive advised that it may be necessary to increase the size of the air tank used to blow the brakes off, apparently modern regs stipulate 4 parking brake releases with the engine stopped.

Would that be with the 12.00 x 20 tyres as these give a 10% increase on the 10.00 tyres ? I asume you had to do away with the diff locks with the faster diffs ?

Checked the rear springs on the S26 today, they are identical to the ones on my Crusader 35T tractor, 8 leaves 3.5" wide with a total depth of 7" work that one out. You were right about the wheel spacers, they are 1/2" thick and fixed to the drums with countersunk screws. With 7.50 rims on the inside there is just over 1/2" of clearance between the 12.00 tyre and the spring, tried one of the 8.00" wheel and tyre assemblies on the inner and the tyre is CLOSE but not touching !

Afternoon Mike,

Thanks for the info on the diffs I think I will keep my eyes open for a pair. No the crane is not military, it is a Ferrari of another MVT members rigid transporter, that it is why it is in deep bronze green. He is upgrading the transporter to carry a 432 so had to remove the crane due to axle weight issues.

Hi John.

 

If you have the VIN plate in the cab i can send you the scammell/Leyland E.E.C VIN chart so that you can check the weight of your 6x4 unit. If there is no plate the chassis number is ok.

 

Clive.

The vin on the log book reads SBSM6A37RSLF76698 which is a bit strange as Mark's vin is RSAF ? will check my registration document against the vin plate on Monday to confirm.

Hi John, the data sheet shows 9147kg as each rear spring capacity with the SOMA axles rated at 12000kg each. As I wrote previously the RAF tankers had a heavy duty 24 ton version of the rear bogie with a couple of extra leaves in the springs, stronger rectangular radius arms in place of the tubular ones with a different X member and axle brackets, 12R22.5 tyres and 4.79:1 diffs in place of 6.39:1. The trunnions looked to be the same with longer U bolts and I speak from personal experience as I stripped one down here that I bought from DC a couple of years ago to liberate the high speed diffs which now reside in Mike Lawrence's Wynns lookalike S26.

Looking at the Crusader specs the rear bogie has a design capacity of 23780kg with a rating of 13690kg (11.7ton) which is clearly incorrect or a typo on the 09/1975 sheet for the F4 112 156HD model.

Out of interest which wheels did you use for the 12.00x20s, I seem to remember there was already a wheel spacer to increase the track for tyre/spring clearance?

Mike thanks fo the info, I have had to be selective with the wheels using only 7.50 rims for the inners as the 8.00's are too close to the springs. There is something which looks like a spacer on each hub but I think it is actually part of the brake drum, but I am going to have a better look on monday. The SOMA axles are spiggot mount for the wheels, getting the originals off was quite difficult due to rust between the rim and the hub spiggot.

Do the high speed diffs from the tankers actually fit into the SOMA axles ? When I first read your post on the subject I assumed that you had fitted the whole bogie assembly not just the diffs.

I am currently fitting a 16 ton/metre crane directly behind the cab.

Does anyone know what trailer this is?

 

I am looking for a trailer to put on the back of a Scammell S26 I have just purchased to carry my Chieftain ARRV.

 

I thought 3 axle trailers would not be an option with axle load weights, etc or is this another example of the Army not having to meet C&U regs?

 

Markheliops

Just to answer the question it is an AMX13 trailer ex-French Army, why it was ever on a 3.5" pin I'll never know !

Interestingly the Ferret has a "Coventry" engine, not a Rolls Royce B60 !, must be very rare.

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Hi,

 

I always like a thread with pictures!

 

Mark

Abnormal Indivisible Load ??? must be grossing over 44 tonnes.

Mark, this is not going to be easy, in Antar/Commander days the army could do more or less what they liked, for instance the rear axle loading on the trailers was IRO 30 tons per line, far higher than the current max of 16 tons for the likes of you and I under STGO 3.

As I see it, the ARRV weighs 55 tons, the S26 9 tons and a suitable trailer circa 20 tons which takes you above the limit of STGO2 (80 tons with 12.5tons per axle) and into STGO3 (150 tons with 16 tons per axle). You didn't say which S26 you have but if it is one of the RAF radar types the rear axles are rated at 12 tons each but the springs are only 9.1 tons each. You could use the springs and wheels/tyres from an RAF re-fueler to get the full 12 ton rating but you would need to get the vehicle recertified. With a 4 axle trailer and under STGO 2 you could then theoretically run at 80 tons, (4x12.5+2x12+6) but this would leave no margin for loading error.

STGO3 is probably the way to go, a four axle trailer with 16 ton axles could take a greater weight and the S26 would not need uprating. Incidentally the plate on the RAF versions gives a 65 ton max train weight but the civilian versions were 100 tons with the same specification, I have the spec sheets in front of me.

You need to do your sums, decide how often you may want to move it and balance the cost of owning/running/storing an expensive bit of kit against hiring a contractor to move it for you, RFL alone is £2585 pa if used commercially, not sure if you could tax it as a private heavy goods.

Mike, I am interested in your comment about the springs only being rated to 9.1 tons each, I too am currently preparing an ex-RAF S26 for very similar purposes to Mark (moving things wide and heavy which belong to me). I never really considered the springs as they "looked" as substantial as those on my 35T RE Crusader. Any chance you can post copies of the spec sheets ? I also felt that the original 10.00 x 20 tyres were a bit underated so have now fitted 12.00 x 20 all round. The truck did actually come with 12.00 x 20 on the front but I think these may have been a civilian mod as unlike Mark's recent purchase mine has already been used on the show circuit. Upgrading to 12.00s on the rear also gives an upgrade of 10% to road speed in each gear. I also intend using a 4 axle trailer my American M747.

John.