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Infact just been thinking about it and due to the lack of oil and drive my expert opinion is its scrap!!
Nothing can be done, the engine is effected, hull integrity has gone, tracks worn to death and as for thoes killer bogies....!!! I realy wouldnt take a chance on ever getting it going or handing her back to the owner...!!:shocked:
I doo need a couple of nuts n bolts tho and would do you a BIG (HUGE!!) favour and remove it from your premisis before the authorities find out you have a dangerous vehicle there!!! :cool2:
NO, dont have to thank me..My pleasure for a fellow HMVF er!!
Just buy me a couple of beers as a thank you!!:nut:
Hmm, your location "Merseyside"....I'll probably turn up this morning to find it up on a stack of old house bricks with all 24 road wheels missing !
Only joking, the old Manchester / Liverpool rivalry !
With regards to the actual fault l suspect your off the mark a bit with the comparrison to hydrostatic transmission, hydrostatic drive rely on the oil for the drive medium and also for the control circuit in most cases (charge pressure). What Chris mentioned was that this transmission relies on gearbox oil pressure for gear engagement, not as the actual drive medium as in a hydrostatic FLT.
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Hi John,
I notice a thread about the site being down on G503 forum, apparently it has been on and off all week.
Thanks Richard.
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The gearbox uses oil pressure to apply the brake bands. No oil = no gears! I just use standard Diesel engine oil, I think it's 10/40. I suspect filling it up may solve your problem!
Chris
Nice one Chris, I will let you know the outcome tomorrow ! Hope you are right, it will save a lot of bother.
John.
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Does anyone know if Steel soldiers forum is down ? Ive been trying it for the last 2 hours but cant seem to get on.
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John,
I had a thought after we spoke earlier, is the gearbox oil level correct?
Chris
No it is not, no oil showing on the stick at all !, found that after we spoke, looks like the gearbox has been drained as the hull access plate is missing from under the gearbox. Does it have an effect on the clutch in some way? What oil spec should we use ?
Regards John.
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This turned up today at the collection which I help look after. It starts ok but seems not to drive through the centrifugal clutch. Its now parked up feady for investigation into the problem.
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Was only kidding, sorry guys! Its coming on fine...... It was just an opportunity with cutting gear at hand to stage it.
Hang on I'm waiting outside the gates with the low loader, you can't say that now !
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12.00R20 at 8.5bar (123psi) will give a 7.5ton capacity but the medium duty axle itself is only good for 6.6tons.
385/65/22.5 (super single) would give 9tons capacity with a suitable axle.
S24 and S26 heavy duty springs are rated at 4.5 tons each, S26 medium duty just 2.995tons each.
Thanks for the info Mike,
Looks like I first need to borrow the weight pads from work just to see how much is on the front axle when the crane is in the position I want. I can see there being a nice green Ferrari 16t/m crane in the for sale section !
The 2.995tons rating of each spring does not leave much margin even for imposed load transfer through the 5th wheel, good job my trailer has 4 axles, I can see the coupling bieng moved back more in line with the rear bogie centre line.
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Hi John.
The front springs on the heavy haulage S26 vehicles should have the same springs as the Scammell S24 Part number HDK1541 made by Jonas Woodhead RSR ltd, the front spring Ubolts were made by Skidmore & sons in Walsal Part number NDK3487. The best vehicle to have a look at would be your friend Dave Crouch's S24 4x2 recovery.
I maybe able to get a drawing of the springs if that is any help.
you can give me a call via the number on my website if you need more info.
regards
Clive
Thanks Clive. What I thought was a relatively simple task just fitting a crane behind the cab has turned complex. When I fitted the one on the Crusader years ago, the springs never even noticed it, although its a bit further back towards the rear bogie due to the standard winch assembly being behind the cab, but that is also carrying the weight of the winch which must be at least 650kg. Will make a note of your number and call if necessary.
John.
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To save you wasting all that gas and oxy I'll nip over tonight to collect it ... £150 a tonne OK ?
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There is an 8/9 ton front axle and spring combo available from the heavy duty version like Evening Star, it looks like it might be the same unit fitted to the S24. You would have to upgrade the tyre size though, 385/65 22.5 trailer type super singles should do.
Thanks Mike,
It is unlikely that I will find a commercial S26 or S24 being broken these days. I am already using 12.00x20 wheels and tyres on the front so have plenty of tyre capacity. It is the springs that are currently the problem, 2 leaf parabolic. I have checked the S26 SLDT and they have 3 leaf parabolic of about the correct length but they are slipper type rear end so not a straightforwards swap as the RAF S26 Tractors are a yoke type rear end. At the moment I am just considering the possibility of adding the bottom leaf of the SLDT spring assembly to the current set up.... any thoughts...
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Just booked in today with the CET FV180, the organiser asked if I minded being on standby with the winch in case any of the other amphibs decide to sink. I will not be swimming the CET as I do not have the very illusive flotation aids required for the correct trim in the water, I may go for a little padle though if the tide conditions are suitable !
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No I think you have that wrong, when calculating total number of axles you do include the front axle of the tractor unit, so you do have 6 axles in total. The unfortunate thing is that the RAF S26 tractors only have 6.5 tonne rated front axle, a dilema that I am trying to overcome at the moment as I am fitting a 16t/m lorry loader crane right behind the cab. It was only when working on the design of the sub frame that I noticed how "flat"the front springs had gone whilst the crane was sat on wooden blocks over the chassis.
The 5th wheel is slightly forwards of the rear bogie centre line (which is normal for a double drive tractor unit) so any trailer load transfers a small proportion of weight onto the front axle as well, clearly some acurate calculating is necessary so as not to exceed the 6.5 tonnes, which in my case is near imposible as I think I am almost at the limit with the crane sat on the chassis without even coupling to a trailer.
If you feel that you need to increase to a total of 7 axles then have you considered a single axle which could be added to the rear of the trailer with something like container locks, if it were on air bags then you could just couple it up after loading the Chieftain, connect the air, have the pressure set so it takes 6-7 tonnes off the trailer, you could even have it self tracking so there were no issues with tyre scrub due to the main 3 trailer axles carrying greater load. It would not even need spring chambers on the brakes, just service brakes only, this would save any messing when rolling it about after uncoupling it.
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When I saw the title of the post I thought someone had one the lottery !
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Been there and seen it, its certainly a DUKW. You cannot visit without express permission from the land owner Stephen Green of Nelson Green Plant. They take a very dim view of trespassers.
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Andy why were you hiding in the workshop whilst taking video ? I know tanks can be dangerous but you could get a little closer !
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I have mate - and another S26!
Ah thats where its gone, ex Richard Wilson, or did you go shared ownership ?
Will it carry the Chieftain ?
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as long as i'm not uranus i'll go with that !
rick
But you could be the "idler" as you do not appear to have been there yesterday !
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Mr Grundys
You wer'nt letting on ! Suzanne was waving like mad at you !
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Have you found a trailer yet ?
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Slightly touching on military things in that the MOD asked for research into cold weather clothing and more. I've somewhat simplified that
Very interesting, where were u off in the RB yesterday when I passed you ?
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Can any one tell me what color to spay my engine? I can't remember what's the colors called.
Thanks bill.
Duck egg blue
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hi matey what gearbox is fitted and the engine will be fine with sae 30
Fuller 15 speed in the RAF S26.
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Congratulations mate! I bet that smile lasted all day :cheesy:
He was still smiling when he passed our house in his van on the way home, and thats 30 miles away, well done RIck and the team !
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Alvis Stormer arrived today.
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Well diagnosed Chris ! Not bad from 100 miles away ! Added 15 litres of nice new engine oil, tightened the gearbox drain plug, refitted the intercooler that had been removed and not piped up when dropped back in place (no wonder it smoked like mad when it was delivered yesterday), closed all the deck covers and off we went, after checking engine oil and coolant levels.
Drives in every gear perfectly well, brakes are excelent, steering spot on. We have a long straight around the back of the building, managed to get up to 6th gear full speed along there, quite a nice bit of kit.
We then shunted evrything else up a bit (Chieftain AVRE, 2 x 432, 434, CET, AMX13) and parked it in line, decks are up again because there is a bit of water in the hull we need to drain.