stal108

Its coming on well its going to be a real nice Saladin

yes i thought the same ,, well its a good story

Hi All Arrived on the 8th as we crossed Munktons the 6x6 explorer got stuck towed out by my Foden drops a friend came Tuesday Bedford mk got stuck ,, the place is a mudbath with the oddm pond some very good pics in the sun to help keep spirit up but in the real world mud and rain with the odd sun patch. taking everything into account i would stay away till it does dry up even if it is Wednesday nextweek The more vehicle movements the worse it gets, Weather aas noon today Sat showers,, seen 50min of sub so far, But we are hear and its the 30th aniv,, so hope to see you all when its a little dryer maybe tuesday??? i hope,, or bribg a tow rope. winch with alot of cable.

I had the same problem with a crusader some 290/305 rolls I took the fuel pipe off the tank put an electric injection pump to the supply line powers it up and just turned it over with 3 injectors cracked ,, worked well within a min it was running , i found them near impossible to blead with the std lift pump.

It is a one off said to be 5 million pound development cost it was the only one built by Vickers, The series was to be with the Valkyr 4x4 and others to be developed but the project was stoped. It is fitted with a Vickers MK5 turret stright off the tank ALI armour all the optics gun stabalisation It was made after 3 Timoney CM31 mk8 prototypes. a ll the suspention is Timoney. We are in contact with Timoney about diffs at the mo. I am trying to get the original setup. http://www.geocities.ws/irisharmoredvehicles/TMk8CM31.html It is along the lines of the South africa armys equipment and verious others. As it packs a 105mm L7 i can see why its called a Viper. Even tanks would have to give it respect

moving it yesterday.. it is quite big ......!:cool2:

massive power 400 odd just looking at aquireing diffs.. to see what sort of gearing we have hub reductions are 3.8 to 1 wheel revelution..

Well back in September 2010 this was put up for sale, There was a previous thread back then.. http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?20545-Vickers-on-MILWEB/page2&highlight=vickers+mk11 My comments were not so positive..But since then alot has happend i have bought it and i now have it home. We are just about to start to fit a drive train and it will be at shows this year. I hope....!

I have a foden drops but i would like the wreaker,,, 8x6 foden

Would it have been fitted with the system from a eka faden to stop the rear walking beam twisting under the rear load. yes the front is quite light by the looks. Also for a heavy recover truck it is quite a short wheel base.

I would agree it looks in service. Towing another in service truck. It may be as said before. It was a drops equipment took off and replaced by recovery kit. Then on trial maybe civi driver thus trade plates,, What ever it is it one heck of a truck looks mean. On the recovery side it is lifting a hell of a weight. the rear walking beam means the rear load is spread but it must be over 7ton suspended.

I get it with the stgo for recovery but still why trade plate army do not have tax so why? strange unless it was a trial. but it has an army inservice number. They could have tried it and put it back to a drops ,The gear is easy to fit.

Foden built i belive only one recovery 8x6 drops type eka with an atlas behing the cab just found the pic It was mentioned befor that paccar would not STGO one ,, i beg to differ,, proof is in the pic, also i wonder why it has a trade plate in it,, em anu ideas,, and another nice foden recovery intresting pair, i did see the 8x4 a few years ago with a convoy going up the m6 it had 3 police cars in front 3 8x4 foden tractor units with 4 axle trailers two gs dafs 4ton then the recovery truck and then 1 police van followed by 3 police cars,,, nothing was able to get near all 3 lanes blocked all the way lv to know what was in the trailers nukes,,, cruise,, em

Has anyone any idea what happend to this one, i belive it had an underlift. atlas on the front as well. This is a serious recovery truck only 1 made. i wonder ,,,, My foden was AF 82 AA Royal Marines Artillary. Navy cast paper.. ALSO Note the STGO plate,,, em So pics of two foden eka... wonder where they both are.

Nice bit of work , I can see you want to use it and are doing it so it makes it useable. I WENT A DIFFERENT ROUTE. I used a jaguar 4.2 petrol and auto box. i used the saracen transfer box so i kept the 6x6. I am doing a saladin at present with a M.A.N diesel engine but keeping the preselecter box. I dont think much of the old B series engine and they never seem to run 100% a diesel is a better option if you realy want to use it.

Yes very nice,, well done.

I work for the Highways agency and we so many bridges hit by over hight trucks,, A truck loaded in avonmouth coming up the m5 is the main one,, A bridge between j4 and j3 m5 near Frankley service station it is part of the original 2 lane motorway it is by mm 16ft 6in . Some times you see the regular lowloader drivers go out into lane 3 as the bridge has a slight arch,,,, some forget a few weeks ago it happend but the driver new about it but could not pull out due to cars so he took the risk... Bad idea.. buts of concrete and bend digger hydrolic pipes and oil ,, We had to get 200m or road resurfaced and the bridge xrayed and tested ,Its due for a cosmetic repair next week.

Forgot to mention about letting the tyres down,,,, Well this would be a terrible idea unless done with thought. So we put sleepers under the hull let the tyres down to the sleepers then chained it on. This also saves the tyres from damage and it worked well. I am sad to hear you say drive with respect because you know its top heavy,, i would think most LGV drivers would drive with respect regardless of load. It is best to know your limits and if like you are unsure i would either ask someone with more experience or knowledge to help out. Or even it may be best to seek a company with transportation ie lowloader etc. Do you use your drops on the road what do you carry on it.

No idea why the weight would impress anyone,, There is no intention too.. Strange you say that. I take it you have never registerd a special types truck before. The Foden is 9.57 wide to start so can not be registerd under c&u regs.. Thought that was common knowledge with these trucks. The only way it can be registers is as a Locomotive. Yes it was a company who are approved by VOSA and the DVLA who gave the weights.. The weights are at 40 mph as the max is only quoted at 70kph (43.2mph)MAX. I do not see this as a problem. There are plent of oldtimers on this type of sites and not in touch with moden truck but the is also alot of good info. The cg is very usefull and will allway need to be considerd. I think being safe is the single most important thing to be done. Take as much care as possible chaining on any type of load (might be best to forget straps) If you are in question on the type of load DONT DO IT! If you feel unsure about driving with this type of load DONT DO IT. But if you have the relivant info and feel it safe why not. Remember it is the driver who in the end is responsable.. And prob best to leave the daf at home take the foden.

Axle weight is a good point. I have massive axle weight on the foden as it is a ballast tractor 16500kg per rear axle 13000kg for the pair of fronts a train weight of 125ton and a gross of 44ton.. On the other hand a daf can be registerd as a normal c&u regulation truck the axle weights will be close on them with 15 ton on.. I have lifted the fodens front pair of axles off the floor before loading a a 432 too far back on the pallet just with a quad bike on the front ,After we swoped it round. put the quad on the back. As no one has said a rack has fallen off a drops i take it this is not a problem with them.So all the talf about rack lock is irrelevent. There safe when in place, So thats a load off peoples minds knowing the pallet is not going to fall off. What the poit is C,G as said. So its all about stability loaded .Am i right. As i said i think it more about how it is driven when loaded than it is a problem with the truck. If its driven with respect and caution it should be as safe as any other truck. You should allways remember the load on the rear of the truck is the reponsability of the driver. Best to be safe than sorry i go overboard with chains and straps. I could be wrong about comparing a 8x4 with a drops.. but the extra weight and wider track it may work out similar.. Even if it a little higher. Well unless i buy a daf i dont have to worry too much. The foden a by far better truck. Shame its so slow ,,lol

I would have thought it was worth that.. even if a moden gingine and drive chain were fitted it would be a great sight to see.moving like the mk4 at war and peace this year.. if i had the money i would lv it.. might fit on my foden what you recon,, i moved this...last year

I see your point , But the daf carry full size containers there quite tall. I would say it is not the load or hight you need to think off it is the driver and the load balance.. Lets take a 432 15ton on a 15ton capacity truck. The pallet is fixed at 3 points so i would say was quite sound on the chassis( If there was any question it would have not been done) How many times has a pallet come off a truck how common is it daily weekly ?? If i put a 432 on a 8x4 foden lmlc like grumpys old one,, beside the daf being a 1ft taller bed why should it be any different beside the hight the 8x6 daf is far heavyer and as i said has a wider track on the front two axles.. I agree caution is needed and respect driving any truck carrying a high load. The other week a truck from emr scrap dealer rolled over off a motorway. It has a 20ft container on. FULL os scrap shreded metal ..You know the stand them on end and fill them 26ton then go on an artic to the docks.. A CRANE LOADED THE CONTAINER ONTO A DAF DROPS. off road over a field and the daf had no problems. I was told by the driver it did it with ease and the company are now going to look when replacing there recovery trucks to buy automatics as he was so impressed with the daf,, If you dought it as Dave Chrouch he was the man. I would say he has more driving experience and judgment than most. I respect his opinion. Adaf and foden drops are made to carry a 15 ton load ......is there any written orders or manuals that say anything about hight? and unable to carry such things as 432. I would say it is more down th the driver than the truck capabilitys.

Yes cg is a big problem with a narrow 3ft rack. But the wedges some have spoken about are very strong i would have no problem lifting the whole truck with just one of them, The problem has allready been mentiond.When you load a empty or light(landrover)rack it some times goes over the wedges.. You have to go to unload move it back a few inches and then reload .You can feel it drop in as it goes forward. It is allways best to cheak. But once in the wedges it will never come out unless the arm moves back.The only way this can happen is if both none return valves on the rams go at the same time.. It is possible but so is winning the lottery 6 weeks in a row, Discretion being the better part of valour.. best to cheak and drive in a manner to suite the road condition. I feel if i were young and in a convoy with my mates a red mist may help roll the truck over if you know what i mean. If the truck is operated with in its limits ie 15ton and driven accordingly i can not see any problems .If the rack is fixed to the truck lets say it wont move it makes it the same as any other flatbed truck so a full 16ft 6in load has the same risk roling over as a drops,, , And saying that a drops chassis being much heavyer than a normal 8x4 flatbed it may even be better for stability, as the chassie is heavyer the load weight will be less to keep to 32ton. Also the front pair of wheels are more offset than a std 8x4 chassie as they are more like super singles and some will know the improvement over std rims. 15ton payload 17ton drops,,,,, 13ton flatbed??? 19ton load?? Yes the bed on a daf is higher,, but as said if it rolls over it is operator error end of story.

Not so sure about the daf scammel type but the foden i have is fitted with abs. I have tried it and it works .And being improved i was told by someone who did the trial the main area was side slope ability. The truck feels planted and very stable.. I agree discretion being the better part of valour! I have transported a 432 and a reme stalwart(had to let the tyres down to get it under 16.5ft) Also being slower then a daf scammell i drive at 40mph 2000rpm thats near 10mph slower than the mmlc. AND ROUNDABOUTS are taken with caution. Though unloaded its a monster and it drifts like no other truck i have ever owned ,, Full lock broadside.. very controlable and predictable. Not sure if its the same i know the s26 sldt the difflock is first doubble drive then 6wd then crosslock.. THE IMMLC is frontaxle lock rear axles then crosslock, I belive this to be a very good idea. WHAT DOES THE MMLC DO? I think the daf scammell type is nowhere near the stability of the foden.

Right up my street,, 05 FF 50 Powerd by a jaguar 4.2 and auto box, The engine is more powerfull being auto instant gear change and great speed. My saracen had a worn out 4th gear so i stripped the box just to leave the transfer( sold the b80 to John Pearson )i fitted a jaguar engine and box a small prop to join them both and it worked well. The only problem i had i used the car pas pump to power the steering and brakes.. it was not up for the job,, In the past i have also fitted a b series cummins to a stalwart STAL108. I an now fitting a M.A.N 150 6cylinder diesel engine into my saladin,, in the next few weeks,, pop over and have a look if your intrested,,,