Marmite!!

Have a look here http://www.hmvf.co.uk/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=49&topic=2565.0

Here's one of me getting ready to blow something up & my Son Harry..

 

Got some good photos of the following reg numbers in a book "Brirish Army in Ulster Vol1 1969-73" if you have any of the vehicles let me know & I'll send you a scan..

 

Some good photos of blown up Saracens & Ferrets in the book too..

 

Humber Pig

12BK98

13BK06

13BK79

23BK30

?2BK51 ?= 2 OR 3

 

Both German water canons owned by the British Army.

10FD84

03FK08

 

Salamander water canon.

00ET15

 

Saladin.

00ED16

 

Saracen.

38BA52

89BA?4

05FF23

05FF34

05FF58

 

Shorland.

27BT50

12FL00

 

Ferret.

02CC33

04CC?0 ?= 1 OR 3

07CC09

 

Landrover.

68ER49

59EK91

28FG60

 

 

 

 

wasn't any stakes last year until very late.. we supplied our own which had disappeared by the time we had got up on the Monday after the show.. :dunno: Don't forget that if you peg out & come back a few days later don't be surprised if you have squatters, your plots a lot smaller or that someone has nicked your stakes for their own area :whistle:

Lee you bloody liar...................................you've had a hair transplant since last year

 

 

It's the pills that made it grow.. ;-)

chips with that oil sir :whistle:

 

 

It's ok I've just been laying under Neils Stolly ;-)

I still don't know how the hell Lee does that..........but I really looking to catching up with him next weekend :naughty:

 

 

Ok Jack here's a photo so you will be able to recognise me :-o can't wait to meet you :box: :-D

 

 

This is hard for me to say and it is sad for some of us but I have had some hard decisions to make and I am afraid that it's Post War vehicles only for me from now on :whistle:

 

 

 

 

Well Done Jack :tongue:

Mark,

Thanks for that, I will give you and Lee a driving lesson next year if you want. I would come down and unload them myself but its a 400 mile round trip!

 

Chris

 

 

Sounds good to me Chris :-D

I think my matre and I helped get yours off last year, right in front of Lee's pitch nice vehicles

 

 

Yes you did Mark cheers for that.. but your mate had to phone a friend to find out where the hand brake was :whistle: didn't fancy doing it myself the way it was on those blocks.. hope you are on hand this year..

So can anyone with a degree in gobbledegook translate that into plain english that us mere mortals can understand?

 

 

the important bits are..

 

3) The Secretary of State may by regulations—

(a) provide for exceptions and exemptions from the offence under

subsection (1); and

 

 

39

(b) the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such

performances;

© the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright,

Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48 ) - see section 5B of that Act);

(d) the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the

Communications Act 2003 (c. 21) - see section 405(1) of that Act);

(e) the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments organised and

held by persons specified or described for the purposes of this section

by regulations made by the Secretary of State;

(f) the purposes of functions that a person has in his capacity as a person

in the service of Her Majesty.

(3) It shall also be a defence for a person charged with an offence under section 36

in respect of conduct falling within subsection (1)(d) of that section to show

that the conduct—

(a) was in the course of carrying on any trade or business; and

(b) was for the purpose of making the imitation firearm in question

available to be modified in a way which would result in its ceasing to

be a realistic imitation firearm.

(4) For the purposes of this section a person shall be taken to have shown a matter

specified in subsection (1) or (3) if—

(a) sufficient evidence of that matter is adduced to raise an issue with

respect to it; and

(b) the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

(5) The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under this section shall

be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a

resolution of either House of Parliament.

(6) That power includes power—

(a) to make different provision for different cases;

(b) to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the

Secretary of State thinks fit; and

© to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional

provision as he thinks fit.

(7) In this section—

“historical re-enactment” means any presentation or other event held for

the purpose of re-enacting an event from the past or of illustrating

conduct from a particular time or period in the past;

“museum or gallery” includes any institution which—

(a) has as its purpose, or one of its purposes, the preservation,

display and interpretation of material of historical, artistic or

scientific interest; and

(b) gives the public access to it.

 

If you can show that you use it for recreating an historical event & for educating the general public then you would have what they call a defence in law, which basically means you have a legit reason for holding such replica weapons..

 

Would be a good idea to form yourselves in to local groups if you are not already & make sure that you have PLI that states living history/re-enactment.. no good say you are members of Imps/MVT as both of those state ownership of an MV is not a condition of membership.. members of Bona Fide groups should have no problems..

 

 

Put something in your constitution like this.. good idea to have members id cards with that printed on the back, something our group will be looking in to in the future..

 

 

THE AIMS OF THE GROUP

 

1. The primary aim of the group shall be to promote and encourage the restoration, preservation, use and enjoyment of ex military vehicles and associated equipment & weapons of all ages. (Weapons can mean Deacativated Weapons, Blankfiring Weapons or the use of Realistic Replica Weapons)

 

2. To aid and co-operate with any Charity having among its objectives, the preservation of articles and other material

 

3. Promote awareness and education of the vehicles and weapons and the historical context of their use

Safariswing.. well that's down to my Son Harry, he's a budding pianist, keyboard & piano... he played at Birmingham Symphony Hall at the Yamaha National Showcase when he was six..

 

Well one of the pieces he plays very well is A Swinging Safari by Bert Kaempfert so he made my ID up from that :roll:

 

For those who haven't heard A Swinging Safari you can listen to it here. http://www.songgalaxy.com/Midi/Bert-Kaempfert/A-Swingin-Safari/IT01538.html

Drat. Missing out again this year - taking the mrs away to a hotel at the seaside. Where do we live? yep, you guessed it...at the seaside. Swapping Essex for East Sussex. Roll on Kelvedon Hatch - but no rain dancing this time please Lee.

 

 

Sorry about the rain but that was not my department, John was in charge of the weather arrangements last year & if it goes tits up again please direct all complaints to him :-)

Nice burger van. Will Mr T be doing hot dogs as well next time?????

 

 

 

I think a photo of this quality should end up in one of the MV Mags ;-) it's not that often you see a WW2 vehicle put to such good use.. now you know what an MVT area Sec. gets up to in his spare time..

I was in Cirencester yeasterday.. Abbots Road..not far off the Burford Road.. that new bit of dual carrigeway is handy.

Hi Dave

 

welcome to the Mad House :roll:

 

 

I never did take you up on that drive of your fox last year Lee, is it still on this year :dunno:

 

 

Sure is..get in it before the speed limits are in place & get in that areana before they start messing with it, not forgetting the Pikey chasing.. those mopeds don't arf go fast when being chased by 6 Tons of Armour..

Sounds good to me John. Are you driving there or freighting on a low-loader??

 

Lowloader for Saladin, Fox & Ferret, driving Landrover with generator on tow & the MOBAT is going in the back of a Stolly ;-)

grrr, damn you with your time off and armour justifying superior arrival times, lol

 

Is there much to keep you entertained for the extra days before it kicks off?

 

Knock a pikey off the bike or watch one being chased with a bit of tracked is good entertainment..

Is this why americans are always shouting in war films :-D

 

We had a noise assesment done on our work trucks a while back, and even though they have nee nahs, and whoo whoo's they were still quieter than a few wartime MV's I've been in, especially if they had genuine WW2 transmission whines and rumbles....

 

Thought you lost your nee nahs on the last outing.. ;-)

 

Any one else heading towards Hop Farm from Suffolk on the Tuesday 17th July?

 

Tuesday 17th, I would of been there a week already :-D

There do seem to be a discrepancy in the wording and sentiments of Jacks original comment of:

 

As opposed to the way it got posted into Sir Pauls reply:

 

Obviously the true meaning is in the copied version!!! :whistle: :whistle:

 

 

Jack must of seen the light & edited his original post :-D

Sir Paul ..yes...yes

Tunnelrat ..yes...yes

Dutch mark ..yes...yes

Safariswing ..yes...yes

richardrosser ..yes...yes

Jack ..yes...OH YES PLEASE my dreams come true to ride in a PW vehicle.

Hardy Ferret ..yes...yes

Chris Aldous .. yes ..yes (May have to be on call with work, if so then will use penny farthing)

ian2b ..yes ..yes

Steve ..yes ..yes

Sam ..yes ..yes

Artists rifles ..yes...yes

 

ok at 12 + mark driver about 5 more spaces ...roll up!

 

 

Don't forget Rob Short, he may be on duty so may not be on here for a while to add his name..

The violent crime reduction bill has been passed and given Royal assent. It will come into effect on 6th April 2007. Please make sure that you read it before, yet again, you become an over night criminal for doing what you may have done all your life. For a full copy of the bill click here http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en.pdf.

 

I have pasted the section that is most relevent to MV owners below

 

 

I've locked this topic so the info doesn't get lost in dozens of posts

 

Imitation firearms

 

36 Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—

(a) he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;

(b) he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation

firearm;

© he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or

(d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to

be brought into Great Britain.

(2) Subsection (1) has effect subject to the defences in section 37.

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(3) The Secretary of State may by regulations—

(a) provide for exceptions and exemptions from the offence under

subsection (1); and

(b) provide for it to be a defence in proceedings for such an offence to show

the matters specified or described in the regulations.

(4) Regulations under subsection (3) may—

(a) frame any exception, exemption or defence by reference to an approval

or consent given in accordance with the regulations;

(b) provide for approvals and consents to be given in relation to particular

cases or in relation to such descriptions of case as may be specified or

described in the regulations; and

© confer the function of giving approvals or consents on such persons

specified or described in the regulations as the Secretary of State thinks

fit.

(5) The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under subsection (3)

shall be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance

of a resolution of either House of Parliament.

(6) That power includes power—

(a) to make different provision for different cases;

(b) to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the

Secretary of State thinks fit; and

© to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional

provision as he thinks fit.

(7) A realistic imitation firearm brought into Great Britain shall be liable to

forfeiture under the customs and excise Acts.

(8) In subsection (7) “the customs and excise Acts” has the meaning given by

section 1 of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979 (c. 2).

(9) An offence under this section shall be punishable, on summary conviction—

(a) in England and Wales, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51

weeks or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with

both; and

(b) in Scotland, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or

with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both.

(10) In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5)

of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in subsection (9)(a) of this

section to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.

(11) In this section “realistic imitation firearm” has the meaning given by section 38.

37 Specific defences applying to the offence under s. 36

(1) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under section 36 in

respect of any conduct to show that the conduct was for the purpose only of

making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the

purposes specified in subsection (2).

(2) Those purposes are—

(a) the purposes of a museum or gallery;

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(b) the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such

performances;

© the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright,

Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48) - see section 5B of that Act);

(d) the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the

Communications Act 2003 (c. 21) - see section 405(1) of that Act);

(e) the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments organised and

held by persons specified or described for the purposes of this section

by regulations made by the Secretary of State;

(f) the purposes of functions that a person has in his capacity as a person

in the service of Her Majesty.

(3) It shall also be a defence for a person charged with an offence under section 36

in respect of conduct falling within subsection (1)(d) of that section to show

that the conduct—

(a) was in the course of carrying on any trade or business; and

(b) was for the purpose of making the imitation firearm in question

available to be modified in a way which would result in its ceasing to

be a realistic imitation firearm.

(4) For the purposes of this section a person shall be taken to have shown a matter

specified in subsection (1) or (3) if—

(a) sufficient evidence of that matter is adduced to raise an issue with

respect to it; and

(b) the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

(5) The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under this section shall

be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a

resolution of either House of Parliament.

(6) That power includes power—

(a) to make different provision for different cases;

(b) to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the

Secretary of State thinks fit; and

© to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional

provision as he thinks fit.

(7) In this section—

“historical re-enactment” means any presentation or other event held for

the purpose of re-enacting an event from the past or of illustrating

conduct from a particular time or period in the past;

“museum or gallery” includes any institution which—

(a) has as its purpose, or one of its purposes, the preservation,

display and interpretation of material of historical, artistic or

scientific interest; and

(b) gives the public access to it.

38 Meaning of “realistic imitation firearm”

(1) In sections 36 and 37 “realistic imitation firearm” means an imitation firearm

which—

(a) has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for

all practical purposes, from a real firearm; and

(b) is neither a de-activated firearm nor itself an antique.

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(2) For the purposes of this section, an imitation firearm is not (except by virtue of

subsection (3)(b)) to be regarded as distinguishable from a real firearm for any

practical purpose if it could be so distinguished only—

(a) by an expert;

(b) on a close examination; or

© as a result of an attempt to load or to fire it.

(3) In determining for the purposes of this section whether an imitation firearm is

distinguishable from a real firearm—

(a) the matters that must be taken into account include any differences

between the size, shape and principal colour of the imitation firearm

and the size, shape and colour in which the real firearm is

manufactured; and

(b) the imitation is to be regarded as distinguishable if its size, shape or

principal colour is unrealistic for a real firearm.

(4) The Secretary of State may by regulations provide that, for the purposes of

subsection (3)(b)—

(a) the size of an imitation firearm is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real

firearm only if the imitation firearm has dimensions that are less than

the dimensions specified in the regulations; and

(b) a colour is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if it is a

colour specified in the regulations.

(5) The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under this section shall

be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a

resolution of either House of Parliament.

(6) That power includes power—

(a) to make different provision for different cases;

(b) to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the

Secretary of State thinks fit; and

© to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional

provision as he thinks fit.

(7) In this section—

“colour” is to be construed in accordance with subsection (9);

“de-activated firearm” means an imitation firearm that consists in

something which—

(a) was a firearm; but

(b) has been so rendered incapable of discharging a shot, bullet or

other missile as no longer to be a firearm;

“real firearm” means—

(a) a firearm of an actual make or model of modern firearm

(whether existing or discontinued); or

(b) something falling within a description which could be used for

identifying, by reference to their appearance, the firearms

falling within a category of actual modern firearms which, even

though they include firearms of different makes or models

(whether existing or discontinued) or both, all have the same or

a similar appearance.

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(8) In subsection (7) “modern firearm” means any firearm other than one the

appearance of which would tend to identify it as having a design and

mechanism of a sort first dating from before the year 1870.

(9) References in this section, in relation to an imitation firearm or a real firearm,

to its colour include references to its being made of transparent material.

(10) Section 8 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 (c. 45) (under which firearms

are deemed to be deactivated if they are appropriately marked) applies for the

purposes of this section as it applies for the purposes of the 1968 Act.

39 Specification for imitation firearms

(1) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision requiring imitation

firearms to conform to specifications which are—

(a) set out in the regulations; or

(b) approved by such persons and in such manner as may be so set out.

(2) A person is guilty of an offence if—

(a) he manufactures an imitation firearm which does not conform to the

specifications required of it by regulations under this section;

(b) he modifies an imitation firearm so that it ceases to conform to the

specifications so required of it;

© he modifies a firearm to create an imitation firearm that does not

conform to the specifications so required of it; or

(d) he brings an imitation firearm which does not conform to the

specifications so required of it into Great Britain or causes such an

imitation firearm to be brought into Great Britain.

(3) An offence under this section shall be punishable, on summary conviction—

(a) in England and Wales, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51

weeks or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with

both; and

(b) in Scotland, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or

with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both.

(4) In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5)

of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in subsection (3)(a) of this

section to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.

(5) Regulations under this section may provide that, in proceedings for an offence

under this section, it is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, that an

imitation firearm conforms to the required specification if it, or the description

of imitation firearms to which it belongs, has been certified as so conforming

by a person who is—

(a) specified in the regulations; or

(b) determined for the purpose in accordance with provisions contained in

the regulations.

(6) An imitation firearm brought into Great Britain which does not conform to the

specifications required of it by regulations under this section shall be liable to

forfeiture under the customs and excise Acts.

(7) In subsection (6) “the customs and excise Acts” has the meaning given by

section 1 of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979 (c. 2).

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(8) The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under this section shall

be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a

resolution of either House of Parliament.

(9) That power includes power—

(a) to make different provision for different cases;

(b) to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the

Secretary of State thinks fit; and

© to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional

provision as he thinks fit.

40 Supplying imitation firearms to minors

(1) After section 24 of the 1968 Act insert—

“24A Supplying imitation firearms to minors

(1) It is an offence for a person under the age of eighteen to purchase an

imitation firearm.

(2) It is an offence to sell an imitation firearm to a person under the age of

eighteen.

(3) In proceedings for an offence under subsection (2) it is a defence to

show that the person charged with the offence—

(a) believed the other person to be aged eighteen or over; and

(b) had reasonable ground for that belief.

(4) For the purposes of this section a person shall be taken to have shown

the matters specified in subsection (3) if—

(a) sufficient evidence of those matters is adduced to raise an issue

with respect to them; and

(b) the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.”

(2) In the table in Part 1 of Schedule 6 (punishment), after the entry for section

24(4) insert—

(3) In relation to an offence committed in England and Wales before the

commencement of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the

“Section

24A(1) or (2)

Acquisition

by a minor of

an imitation

firearm and

supplying

him.

Summary In England

and Wales, 51

weeks or a

fine of level 5

on the

standard

scale, or both.

In Scotland, 6

months, or a

fine of level 5

on the

standard

scale, or both.

—”

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reference to 51 weeks in the entry inserted by subsection (2) of this section is to

be read as a reference to 6 months.

41 Increase of maximum sentence for possessing an imitation firearm

(1) In the entry in Schedule 6 to the 1968 Act relating to section 19 of that Act

(mode of trial and punishment of possession of firearm or imitation firearm in

a public place)—

(a) in paragraph (b) of column 3 (offence to be triable either way except in

the case of an imitation firearm or air weapon), omit the words “in the

case of an imitation firearm or”; and

(b) in column 4, for “7 years or a fine; or both” substitute—

“(i) if the weapon is an imitation firearm,

12 months or a fine, or both;

(ii) in any other case, 7 years or a fine, or

both.”

(2) An offence in England and Wales under section 19 of the 1968 Act in respect of

an imitation firearm which is triable either way by virtue of this section is to be

treated—

(a) as an offence to which section 282(3) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003

(c. 44) (increase of maximum sentence on conviction of an either way

offence) applies; and

(b) as not being an offence to which section 281(5) of that Act (increase of

maximum sentence on conviction of a summary only offence) applies.

(3) This section—

(a) applies only to offences committed after the commencement of this

section; and

(b) so far as it relates to subsection (3) of section 282 of the Criminal Justice

Act 2003 or subsection (5) of section 281 of that Act, does not have effect

in relation to offences committed before the commencement of that

subsection

So numbers? please copy and add... and a Yes if in the REO and happy with the small charge!

 

 

Sir Paul ..yes...yes

Tunnelrat ..yes...yes

Dutch mark ..yes...yes

 

 

Sir Paul ..yes...yes

Tunnelrat ..yes...yes

Dutch mark ..yes...yes

Safariswing ..yes...yes