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Depends what it is - a Vietnam era dated olive green one will be worth more than a later camo one. A play with the 'completed items' search facility on eBay will give you a fairly good idea as to the value. Having said that, a friend of mine bought a tidy med-reg sized Vietnam era dated olive green one in a surplus shop in Canterbury last year for £50.

Thanks for the pictures. Very interesting - I've never seen that type of frog before.

Hi, Could someone confirm what official type / mark / designation these 1944 dated British wire cutters are? I'd also be interested to know what type of frog they go in as the 'standard' one is too short. Thanks, Mark

It's been published on the web:http://www.armyrugbyunion.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2010-2011_CorpsCtteePOCList_Master.pdf

My understanding is that there shouldn't be a problem with the deactivation status as long as only the inert bullets are modified, not the gun. I would personally secure them with something like Blu-Tack rather than glue so they are easily removable should someone official wish to inspect it.

Wild guess: something to do with radio equipment? Some of the webbing carrying ancillaries were made from '58 Pattern hardware / materials.

Yet another example of that type of bottle and mug paired together: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/44-Pattern-Water-Bottle-and-Mug-used-/221139692933?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item337cf3ed85 curiouser and curiouser...

Well b*gg*r me - I think you've cracked it.:wow: I've had a theory for a while that it might have belonged to a member of the 33rd Engineer Regiment. I bought it at the local car boot sale and just up the road from me is the Carver Barracks near Saffron Walden where the 33rd are based. Elements participated in Op Herrick XII - HQ 4th Mechanized Brigade. I assume the initials count as Staff Sergeant Gareth Evans - 33rd Engineer Regiment - 21 Field Squadron - Explosive Ordnance Disposal - Squadron Quartermaster Sergeant? I attach a pic. It's in mint condition and has some sharp creases in it. Perhaps it was only used at the homecoming parade? Would anyone like to take a guess on what the missing badge on the right shoulder is? A TRF patch? http://www.awesomekit.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3209

Lurverley... Is it marked on the back? I have a 1962 dated example that also has nickel plated brass metalwork rather than painted black.

What Price Glory have some metal chained ones: http://onlinemilitaria.com/shopexd.asp?id=1946&bc=no It looks the same as the ones I saw at Beltring.

I'd be unsurprised if the mug is foreign, but I've yet to positively ID it. There was someone doing P44 bottles with the chained caps for £2 each this year, although they weren't undented. I grabbed one as it was silly not to at that price. I have a suspicion they may be Danish though: http://m55q.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/M45-50%20webbing%20equipment

Hi, One for the hardcore webbingologists – there’s a minor mystery regarding P44 water bottle cups that’s niggling me… I recently acquired an example of the later type of P44 water bottle with the rubber rather than metal cap. It came with a carrier and 2 unmarked cups, one of which is identical to the unmarked cup shown in the P44 water bottle section of Karkeeweb: http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1944/1944_equipment_bottle.html The text comments that “The two cups in the photos far and centre left above have different styles of rivets - these are presumably manufacturing differences of no great significance”. And another example of this combination of rubber topped bottle and unmarked cup recently appeared on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200821320316?nma=true&si=4lT1e%2BPPi3ScSoYWn3%2BpHQlpptI%3D&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true I’d always taken it as read that unmarked P44 type/style cups weren’t British issue. So is Karkeeweb wrong or right? Any ideas why this combination keeps appearing? Is the bottle actually a foreign copy? A hands on comparison reveals the bottle is a slightly looser fit in the unmarked cup than in a marked up British one. Cheers, Mark

Very nice. (Something else to find...:undecided:) SUIT pouches turn up fairly regularly, but I've never seen one of those for sale.

I asked this on the wwiireenacting forum and one chap replied: "the elusive green 58 pattern water bottle and mug combo did exist! Back in the late 60's when I was in the ACF I 'liberated' a set from a cadet in another unit (The KRRC cadets at Westminster) during a 'Tough Training' weekend down at Lulworth Cove in Dorset. The KRRC detachment received a lot of support from 4 RGJ (V) including OG combats and '58 pattern kit". Interesting. But where are they all?

The offending items.

http://www.leemetford.com/patterns/1958/components/component_packs.html

I saw one at Beltring this year - £20 IIRC. One of various things I should have bought in hindsight.

Thank you. One tries. If anyone is looking to sell, I'm still after reasonably tidy examples of the following early 1958 Pattern items: - Pair of utility straps - Large pack - Right-hand ammo pouch (first type with stiffeners in the lid)

Thanks. The question occurred to me as I recently scored a mostly complete set of early 1958 Pattern webbing and I'm looking into the accessorisation. It seems to be a minor mystery.

Nice one. A steal for a fiver.

Was there ever a matching olive green cup for the above? I have never seen or heard of one - only black cups. I know commercial OG bottles + cups are now being made, but has anyone ever come across a genuine OG cup? Cheers, Mark

You're not wrong - it originally cost me £30...:wow:

Hi, Amongst a recently purchased job lot was a 58 Pattern compass pouch that had been turned into a field dressing carrier* by removing the padding and a 58 Pattern right-hand ammo pouch** that had had the yoke and poncho carrier attachments removed so that it can only be attached to a belt. I was wondering how typical these modifications are and why you’d modify an ammo pouch in that way? (A supplementary ammo pouch?) The Energa launcher sub-pouch is still intact. Cheers, Mark *It had a field dressing in it. **Annoyingly it’s a scarce Mk1 with the ‘stiffeners’ in the sides of the lid. The internal magazine support strap has also been removed.

Very nice indeed. I recently acquired a size 7, but your's is in nicer condition. There's currently a DPM 1960 Pattern smock on eBay, but I shall 'fess up that I have a vested interest in it...

Apologies for necroposting, but I think I may have just acquired one of these: it's marked 'MECo 1964' and 'CN 1459' and as described it's more of a 1944 Pattern green colour than darker 1958 Pattern olive green. According to the forthcoming 1958 Pattern section of Karkeeweb, it's a "Pouch, magazine, S.M.G., Mk. 2." and was made for the Sten rather than the Sterling. http://www.leemetford.com/patterns/1958/components/component_np_official.html I am however a bit puzzled: why would they have been making Sten pouches in 1964? Or is this merely a quirk of the paperwork and post-1953 they were for Sterlings? I don't have any pics yet as I'm in the middle of cleaning it. Cheers, Mark