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The mistake they admitted to was insuring it as a classic car - so if they (without you knowing) class a vehicle as a classic car and its not and you don't know what they have done then you may not get it automatically insured. despite a letter to the contrary. My vehicle - an Alvis Spartan CVR(T) would not have been automatically insured, though I thought it would.

 

There is no guarantee cheap or expensive how good your insurance may be - its what it says on the tin that matters or the insurance certificate.

 

 

Diana

So really then the mistake was nothing to do with automatic cover renewal, more the fact for the last year your vehicle may NOT have been insured, out of interest are they now covering it at a classic or some thing else.

TBH the whole insurance industry really needs to look in their own back yard, the impression sometimes given is rather than covering your car/vehicle they seem to take the money and look for as many ways to get out of paying up in the event of a claim.

They must have told you fibs!

 

Cherished said I was better of with CN as CN were cheaper! though without heavy breakdown cover!

 

So I will go with CN and I've registered with RTRUK for breakdown cover (Pay as you go with an initial £50 fee for the recovery if you need it plus £1.50 per mile after the first 10 miles) as CN wanted £99 for heavy breakdown cover!

 

Diana

Not sure they told ME fibs as they addmited they made a mistake with YOUR letter.

As I said I was not looking for cheaper insurance,just better cover for what I need this year (any driver) which CN was NOT prepared to do. I do not beleive in cheap insurance. Of course on the vehicle I have insured with cherished I dont need heavy breakdown...this one is only a Jeep. Our heavies have their own breakdown cover.

Still pays your money takes your chances, none of us will know until we need to claim ( although hope not)

Well done on a great restoration. Nice to know another M38 is back on the road in the UK.

Other than mine I only know of two others, both up north near me but one has been restored to look like a WW2 jeep.

I'll look out for you at shows."

 

I think you will find there are a lot of M38's out there and not just up north.......

My Policy with Carole Nash is just up for renewal and I received a letter stating that it WOULD automatically be renewed.

 

This is NOT the case as I have just discovered as told by them and the letter was a mistake. If you are sent a letter from Carole Nash stating your policy will be renewed automatically in relation to your Classic Vehicle and you assume it has been then you MAY not be driving around with no insurance, and are advised to ring them and check.

 

Diana

That's interesting, I was with CN and when I phoned them they said NO policies were automatic renewal.

I have now gone to Cherished, not cheaper but far better cover for what i wanted.

Thank you for your comments - I agree with you that the replacement wood bows do not have much "bow" or "rise". probably not much more than 2.5" in the centre. As to how much the bow needs to rise to work with the NOS elbows I have yet to estimate that figure.

 

My Son has spoken to Rex Ward - being not too far from where the 353 resides - and he had no parts to help when we asked late last year.

 

"Correct" bows and elbows - that is the krux of the matter, I just do not know which, if either, of our set of parts is correct for the vehicle. The replacement wood bows seem to be of correct length... which of the elbows is the one to go with?

 

Your comments about the curve of the top is how I read many of the photos of vehicles for the Normandy landings albeit there is more than one or two which have a flatter "top".

 

thank you, Graham

The problem with the flatter top is that water can gather and sit.

As already suggested might be worth trying some of the Dutch dealers, EG W.O.Wildenberg.

Word of warning they are not the cheapest and I know for a fact the prices depend on "accent's".However when buying parts for the Gmc or Dodge the quality has always been good......you just get that feeling that being English you are being "bent over the barrel" so to speak.

Graham

 

I went through this exercise on my own 353 truck a year ago....firstly looking at your top bows,,,they don,t seem very " bowed ". to me

 

to get my new metal corners or bows to work I needed 6" inches of "bow " in the wood to get the angle correct. this is from the underside of the bow to a datum. The top bow by the way need to be 68 1/4 inches long. I steamed new ones from Oak to work.

 

The correct metal bows are available from the normal Dutch suppliers or Rex Ward sometimes carrys them or can get them in.

 

If the top bows are straight or straightish the corners bend to suit ( they are fairly flimsy ,,I put 3 tack welds on each new corner to strengthen them ) and the side strakes bulge outwards, reducing rear vision and making the tarp sit as a 3 sided box, rather than having a pronounced bow or radius at the top at the top. Most trucks seen to be in this catorgory as over the years the top bows collapse due to tarp weight. Look at pics of trucks during WW2 and you will see a pronounced roof radius...

 

Hope this helps.

We also used oak when we replaced our wood work, I'm not sure that's the wood that was used back then.

We also raised our side uprights by a couple of inches just to give a more practicle headroom inside. Not everyone will agree but it helps, we also can't find 1940's petrol.........

Hope to see you there, we'll have to set them up together that would make a good display.

Craig

Hi Craig, for sure it would make a good display, but with a more or less 360 mile round trip I'm afraid is not going to happen for a weekend trip.Good luck and hope it goes well.

Well quite a comprehensive 1st post, I do however think its nice to post in the intruduction thread to start before too many questions.....but welcome anyway.

As the engine conversion widow, I'm very proud of whst he achieved. In France last year we were so pleased with how well she went! The mpg now is awesome!!!!

Hi Rosie,

You have every reason to be VERY proud of what the" cubed one" achieved and in my earlier post there was no knocking on my part as to that.

My point was on a fiscal basis only.Of course its his truck and is entitled as I ALWAYS maintain to as he pleases.

Good luck and hope you get very many cheap miles........

Its a great thread for sure. I suppose it depends on how many miles you drive as wether a conversion of this size is worth it.

I think Richard has had this truck a fair while and I doubt he is any rush to sell it after all this work....well done.

I have found in our 353 careful driving and unloaded (of course we ALL run our historic vehicle unloaded don't we) I get around 9/10 mpg. My hoppo onlys gets about 5/7.....he wears a size 14 leaded boot!

With a margin of about 30p per gal in favour of petrol I would be interested to know what sort of miles are needed to recover the costs, if the conversion was carried out on a cost basis.

That said great thread and very interesting.

Clarity; you didn't understand them as they were first written.

I understood, I was saying they could be insured,you were saying they could not.

What I had not taken into consideration is that you were saying you did not want to part with any more money, which I completely understand....now lets get out of the playground and get indoors in the warm.

Not confused at all, it's quite simple.

 

 

 

Well if you are absolutely sure of those facts every time they drive your vehicles, you don't have a problem. Insurance companies want disclosure of everything, driving, medical and if there's a slip up ( in their normal car ), and they aren't informed, that's you will potentially have a problem. There's nothing else to add.

 

None of that however helps someone young who is interested in the MV scene, to buy a vehicle. There's little choice these days for a cheap way into the hobby. There will be a few in a position to start early, but for most, spare cash won't be available until later life.

Your right there is nothing to add. I am VERY carefull with all my insurance and also I trust the people that drive my vehicles....its leads to a happier life. Its interesting why you have edited quite a number of your posts on this subject though.

On another note I totally agree with your comments re younger people.

That doesn't solve the problem, just leaves you open to being uninsured.

 

How does that leave me open to being insured. They are named drivers,no bumps and no points. Fully comp. FULL STOP.

Now IF you REALLY know something that the rest of us do not please tell, I and many other people would I'm sure very interested.

I cant help thinking some one is confusing you.

[QUOTE=Jessie The Jeep;432367]You're missing the point ( partially ), another driver can't insure a vehicle they don't own, and I won't pay for someone else on my policy just so they have a vehicle to drive. I'm with Cherished Vehicle Insurance for all three vehicles. Anyone can get someone added to their policy, at a cost, but I haven't the money or interest to pay over the odds insurance so someone could drive my vehicles, whether a new starter to the hobby or not. The only way I'd let someone drive is if they had their own policy, in their name, paid by them, but insurers won't do it. I don't trust anyone that I would be the first person they called when they had an accident, and then I'd be leaving myself wide open to being uninsured.

Money I believe is the main factor for people not coming into the hobby. Money has been tight for most over the last few years, and as mentioned before, young people have other priorities. I don't see that changing, so will all the will in the world, the vast majority of people coming to the hobby will be middle aged or older.[/quote

Sorry Steve your missing what I am saying my policy, at one price covers me and THREE other people with NO extra cost.

I understand that when you make alterations mid term there will be a cost involved as there is on most polices.

Its a shame you dont trust anyone, do you not even have friends or mates that you trust.....sad if you don't.

Yes, you can have named drivers on your policy, for which you pay so they can play, but as I said, if they have an incident or points, you could be left un-insured. They can't have their own insurance on a vehicle that doesn't belong to them.

Yes Steve,you are right they must be named drivers as you say. You are however wrong with regard to the policy, I have up to four drivers, granted they must be over 30 no bumps or points. As i would only allow trusted people to drive I'm sure they would inform me of any problems.....we play fair down south...lol.

My policy also includes FULL UK & EUROPEAN brakedown cover, granted limited to 4/5( I'm not sure) call outs per year, but then if you had any more, time to start sorting the vehicle.

Again you are correct they cannot insure a vehicle (normally) that is not owned by them,but they can drive (again normally) a vehicle on a third party basis.Not ideal granted but in an urgent case that would work for me.

Sounds like you may need to shop around when your renewal comes up my friend try looking at the banner on HMVF :cheesy:

"A friend can't be fully comp insured on a vehicle they don't own ( according to the Mrs who is an office manager in a financial services company."

Look for another insurance company then....mine covers upto four drivers (if over 30 and no points or bumps.) fully comp.

Does owning a Triang pedal Jeep in 1961 count.....because thats when I started.

I'm not counting the inter years as my kids needed, socks shoes coats hats gloves books paper pencils pens jumpers trousers...playschool, rainbows beavers guides cubs scouts venture scouts young leader sixthform and uni. & near 15 years charity work

I needed morgtgage food leccy gas....................

You get the picture, familly always came first, my interest was ALWAYS bottom of the pile, but now brakes are OFF.

I've managed to get some drum magazines L&R handed from World Wide Arms in boxes, but stll looking for sights. If I cant find any I will try and get some made. The good news is that I've got the engine running and all the hudraulics are working although there is a small leak from a couple of pipes but the shoudn't be hard to fix. Next job is a clean up and paint. I'm hoping to have it all done for The Yorkshire Wartime Experiance show in July. Should make an intersting exhibit.

Craig

Out of interest was that the one on ebay a few weeks ago.

Hi Rob,

I've got the large sight bar but not the sights that fit on to it. If youv'e got the sights I'd have them off you, but thanks for the offer.

Craig

We were lucky the "Spider sight came with ours,but I understand they are in short supply.

We have the eight round mags and over the years have found about 50 odd 20mm cases.

Picked up a really nice orginal Canadian wooded ammo box at W&P R last year.

You had better add Polsten Quad to that lot; got it going this morning. Got a bit of an hydraulic oil leak but nothing we cant sort.

Ours is also up and running. Imagine have two together.......working.....

Yep, I do, Im one of the organisers. Normally go up with the jeep, though couldn't make this year as we went to France.

Yep, that was bad timming Rick, missed the show and was a couple of months late in Normandy.

Ps has Joy spoken to you about the MK show ?

Hi Wecome from another MK member.

Although all our kit is US if you ever fancy a run out in Jeep, Dodge or Gmc give me a shout, I live North Mk by the way.

Gary.

I couldn't resist posting this photo, which shows how the painting was done, in a 1932 booklet from the General Omnibus Co. in London. Maybe this is high speed brush painting.

 

Andrew

Of course there is always an exception. I think you will find that is the 2nd or 3rd colour being applied and in that case a brush/roller would have been quicker than a whole lot of masking.....I still stick to MV's being sprayed before leaving factory.

Lets remember that these vehicles came in the first place from commercial factorties. Agreed that they were military spec and the powers that be (army navy airforce) would have had huge input. But I cant believe that any of them would have specified "hand painted" on the "options list".

The factories I am sure would have painted them the most cost effective way.....spraying. Once in service of course the books will say other methods, you might not have spray guns in Barracks/ Desert/forest.

My impression with the vehicles I have worked on is that some seperate panels were painted BEFORE assembly and even in the 40's these appear spayed.

I don't think there is any right or wrong answer here.

Its your truck, you paint it how you like, if you can spray then you get a better overall finnish.But your right for that "in Unit/in field" look then slap it on with a brush.

Just remember once its been slaped on its a lot of work to rub down to get that "factory" fresh look.

I think that all vehicles, at some stage would have had that factory look.