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This is from the detailed index EMER WHEELED VEHICLES A 100 Jan 1983. Associated publications will need a lot more digging to find the references.

WM bear in mind that although the radio batteries were provided with a venting system, the vehicle batteries were of type that required no venting. When you come to fit normal batteries they need to be vented as hydrogen will build up within the confines of battery storage space under the passenger seat base. When I fitted replacement vehicle batteries I vented them via tubes to a T-piece I fitted to the existing venting system for the radio batteries (that exits to the left side of the body). There should be two venting holes on each side of the batteries. Venting plugs & pipes were connected to the batteries to feed the radio batteries T-piece. The unused vents on the other side of the batteries need to be plugged over so that hydrogen only leaves via the tubing vents.

Mike that is interesting the "AP" underneath given the colour I think we can rule out Admiralty Pattern. But it suggests it might be from Armstrong Patents Co Ltd in Beverley who specialised in shock absorber mechanisms. So this device might have some hydraulic role? "AP" was their recognised abbreviation used in the Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores Sections LV6/MT1 to LV6/MT15.

Between the three studs with waxed paper, is there a hole to accept some sort of drive shaft? I would imagine that this is some sort of fluid pump for a British Army vehicle from the 1950s. On the basis that it is gloss DBG & searching NSNs with any of the identifiers from 25+ years ago has not been NATO Codified. If there is no input for a drive shaft then some sort of fluid pressure regulator/valve or filter?

Ian I don't know if there may be something of help in this: Equipment Management Policy Directive No.552 ‘B’ Vehicle Fleet TUL(HS)/TUM(HS) Land Rover Defender (XD) Dec.1996 I just have to find it!

Mick it comes from Military Engineering, Vol VI, Water Supply & Petroleum Installations, 1956 There are no references to Patterson, although there is this apparatus mounted on a two-wheeled steerable trailer.

There is a redacted Maintenance Schedule here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/423603/response/1028482/attach/4/20170828 FOI2017 07816 Charlton WDTK 2320 D 128 601 sent final.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

I fitted an in-line fuse behind the dash to feed the socket. That gave protection for any accessories I then plugged in. It also gave protection for the +ve socket itself as the insulation from the metal dash is just a piece of folded cardboard. Also it gave protection as the Lucas 2-pin plug leaves a live terminal exposed. There are some fully insulated AM plugs that fit exactly, but be very careful as the ones I bought were shorting plugs! As a protection against reversed polarity you could fit a diode in series with your +ve connection.

Just watch out as this supply is not fused.

These are rather fun. I buy them if they are cheap enough & no I don't pinch them from the road side! Other themes I have seen are Moon, Sun, Lion, Elephant etc I don't know what the criteria are for text or symbol. I hate to think it, but are symbols more modern because of current educational limitations? Especially when the two lower ones could give rise to confusion?

Yes it is a shame, but the lockers are not original. The moderator says it is a veteran of N.Ireland, there is no evidence to suggest that, particularly still with the Warner socket & the early tow hitch. He is wrong to say they were manufactured by Rootes, the chassis was, but the Pig armoured body was manufactured by ROF or Sankey. Aspects of the body suggest this was made by ROF.

Sold for £3,300 I tried to find out the ERM or chassis no. from the seller, but he just sent me a picture of the body contract plate. Anyone on here buy it?

This is a page from a Ruddington catalogue annotated by J.Hirst himself. No winch & good tyres!

Andy I have recovered these pics from an old thread on another site that I took part in.

If I'm thinking of the right Merlin Jones, I saw him with his family at Capel last month.

Not very good as I had to use my camera then reduce in size to upload as I have no broadband just using a watery phone link from the roof to communicate. What would really interest you I think is JSP 71 Vol 1 covering road, rail, sea & air Stalwart transport. But it is over 30 pages & too much time & effort & not enough bandwidth. Could scan the odd key pages but not all of it I'm afraid.

Mark I'm afraid I know very little about Air Publications. But I assume there would be regular updates in some catalogue of APs which in itself would be an AP. It is hard enough finding these catalogues for Army publications and they only show a snapshot of time when particular equipments were in service. The structure of APs changed dramatically in about 1970. Given the limited time & quantity of Stalwarts in RAF service, I think any APs would be few instead with heavy reliance on the range of Army publications. As you may know the RAF Stores Vocabulary AP 1086 lists MT vehicle specific spares in Section 61 with 61AS for Alvis vehicles. These days this would mean 61AS would be the DMC preceding an NSN. Cataloguing of Complete Vehicles is 16A (the A here has nothing to to with Alvis & applies to all complete vehicles) Vehicles were given 2-page descriptions in AP 278E Book 1. I have the Argosy tie-down instructions & diagrams for Stalwart in AP 101B-2401-11B (Formerly AP 4221D Air Portability Supplement) Army Code No. 9311, 1970. I also have somewhere a larger more general air transport tie-down book that covers from large vehicles to concrete mixers.

I doubt it as it is not listed in AC No.12123 Part V Index of CES Nov. 2000 or the previous edition in 1999. They are not very good at keeping publications for obsolete equipment.

Found this one for you, it is a Simple CES. AC No.44800 INSTALLATION KIT, Electronic equipment, radio station, UK/VRC 353 in Truck, Cargo, HMLC, Mk 2 (FFR) Z1/5820-99-965-5670 this is the NSN of the kit not the UK/VRC 353

Mark yes there should in theory at least be a Complex CES that comprises the equipment (in this case a vehicle) with its own Simple CES that when fitted with additional equipment (and with its own Simple CES) then forms the Complex CES for the whole system. CES Simple & Complex are listed in Army Code No.12123 Part V. I have three of these the oldest being 1984 where it is simple to find the Simple CES as it is listed under the equipment/vehicle title. Indeed it lists the four Simple CES that you know about. Complex CES is more complex because it lists the additional equipment by name which is fair enough but sometimes it lists "Installation kit for..." So it will take some searching as there are 203 pages. It is quite unusual to find a Complex CES but they are something of a disappointment. Often it will only list three items: The designation of main equipment/vehicle & its Simple CES The designation of the ancillary equipment & its Simple CES The Army Code No. of the Complex CES (ie the document you have in your hand!!) But at least can get to find out the Army Code No of the Simple CES for the additional equipment.

Yes that will give you a good grounding in FV1600 development. We wrote that 25 years ago & a lot more information has since come to light. For instance I photocopied all the NI REME SITREPS that had any reference to Humbers, this is where I discovered Op Marble. Apart from my own digging & collecting, Wally has come up with some unique material. PS I think there were only 600 copies printed. The reason being that above this level photographic copyright fees would have made the project uneconomic.

WM in answer to 4(a) Not a straight swap. The vehicle pulley has 7 grooves & the radio pulley has 4 grooves. They can be swapped over if you remove pulley nut with a rattle gun, do not try to clamp the pulley it is easily damaged. The basic alternator is the same except the rear terminals & connectors are rather different for each but they can be re-arranged, Bear in mind there is an AC output from the vehicle alternator that acts as a rev counter output that is used in vehicles fitted with EEGR. I can't see how a failing alternator could gradually bring your vehicle to a halt. In what way was it unable to start? Just nothing or engine turned over but wouldn't fire? What do you mean by the wrong batteries were fitted? I can't remember off hand what vehicle batteries were original fit, but I believe at some stage they changed. Bear in mind that the original vehicle batteries did not need to be vented but the radio ones did. When I fitted two vehicle batteries from Halfords 10 years ago (still going strong) I put venting pipes to connected into the radio battery venting system.

I have just entered the ERM for a couple of Pigs I used to own in the RLC search & they hold scans of those, but not unfortunately for yours. Of the 200 odd Pigs "recovered" in 1972 it seems relatively few were from private owners. Operation Marble to assess the time taken to get the Pigs usable again found that the process took twice as long as expected. For a good grounding in the story of the Humber FV1600 series look out for this book. But don't pay a silly price. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384353504933?hash=item597d410ea5:g:yu8AAOSw7-hhJ-d- or worse still: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/398052163X/ref=olp-opf-redir?aod=1&condition=used&tag=bookfinder-test-b-21 If you can't find any cheaper PM me.

Your Pig was once a Truck 1 Ton (not tonne) GS 4x4 Humber FV1601 delivered on 21/1/54 to 62nd B Vehicle Depot Eglington in Ayrshire part of 6th Vehicle Group HQ Georgetown in Renfrewshire with Receipt Voucher EGL/R/2357 under Contract: CARGO 6/V/6443 Engine No.6682 FV1601 see below Incidentally the Pig was Struck Off Census on 15/5/67 often people assume the sale date was the SO date. PS Well done Wally for following that up. Very often museums have people in charge with all the museum qualifications but know little about the artefacts they are meant to be caring for.