marvinthemartian Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Good to see you back Duncan, thought you'd disappeared! Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Good to be back! Just had a ridiculous summer of work, at least 3 years worth in a few months! Not much in the pipeline for next year so hopefully get my stuff sorted. Andy F found a NOS martian fuel tank, would that be of interest to your rebuild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 If that fuel tank was located up near Newcastle, then it is no longer there, I had a run up to Jacksons to see Phil a couple of weeks ago and came back with a van full of stuff, another in planning for next year. Simon:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted December 25, 2012 Author Share Posted December 25, 2012 I think it was up that way, is Phil the guy who ebay's off martian bits from time to time? If so I had a NOS carb off him. A van load eh?! He must have quite a lot of stuff :cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 That's the one. He still has a lot of other stuff to clear out. He's hoping to sort out a lot of hydraulic stuff for the next time I go up, the only snag I have is that I am running out of shed space to store it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 That's the one. He still has a lot of other stuff to clear out. He's hoping to sort out a lot of hydraulic stuff for the next time I go up, the only snag I have is that I am running out of shed space to store it all! I know that feeling mate !:wow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 True! Even saw your clutch Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Well I found 5 hours today to escape to the workshop, decided to get started on the Martian, and started with an easy job! Unfortunately I forgot a real camera so its all crappy phone camera shots today... My Martian has unfortunately had a crane fitted, this required an Austin 4cyl engine, gearbox and big hydraulic pump to be mounted in the cage under the drivers side. It was blocking access to the steering system so it had to go! In due coarse the rest of the crane will be taken off as well. A nice empty cage! A pile of crap waiting to meet its maker, anyone want it?! Next up was the headlights, I wanted to see if they used standard 7" units as the chrome isn't very reflective any more! They look like a standard unit so that's good news! Next up was to check out the spotlights under the bumper, I think there are supposed to be some under there but these don't look heavy duty enough to be original? They do look old though.... Next up was an epic voyage from the back to the front of the truck underneath! Dodgy wiring does my head in so I'll be completely re-wiring the lights, I did however carefully remove the old wiring so it could be restored and put back. For now I'll be happy if the lights work reliably! This was the first interesting thing I found, its tee'd into the rear brake line and has a couple of wires coming out. Surely its not just a pressure switch for the brake lights? Any ideas? It was connected to this box which must be something to do with it? Electric trailer brakes or something? Next up was the propshaft, bad news here as there is a bit of play in the UJ's, and probably worse a bit of play in the splined sliding coupling. I do think finding a good prop is going to be needed :-( a bit worried about that... I also noticed that some of the rear steel brake pipes are corroding more than I'd like, they are holding air fine but I don't want to take any chances. I reckon its 5/8" pipe, any ideas people? Next up was the winch area, I was interested to see this switch, on the Pioneer the overload pulled on a cable connected to the engine stop. I guess time has moved on and now it kills the ignition. Probably a good source of electrical problems this thing.... Next up was the handbrake area, the lever operates two "calipers" onto a huge disc brake, its a monster of a thing. Unfortunately the "pads" are well worn and you can see it has had washers added for some extra life. At least this should be relatively easy to get repaired, its just flat pads. The next thing that caught my eye was the exhaust, some of you might remember an "incident" during the initial purchase that resulted in the exhaust note becoming a bit more fruity I think I found the problem! Original exhaust maybe? It is routed right beside the fuel tank that surprised me! Last job of the day was to remove the "bonnet", I've got quite a bit to do under there and the access isn't great, so for the sake of 6 bolts I took it off... Access is much better now! With the bonnet off you can really appreciate how bonkers the air cleaner assembly is! The oil in it looked excellent, that's good news! I noticed this odd bottle on the bulkhead, it seems to be connected to a hand pump in the cab. Surely too small for screenwash? I wonder if its for shooting gin into the engine for cold starting? And last thing was to have a look around the cab, this I reckon must be a non-original fuse box thing? I was all ready to rip it out but it does power up some interior lights that look like they could be correct? Any idea's if its original? So, quite a productive day, rear propshaft and rigid barke hoses on the wish list now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well I found 5 hours today to escape to the workshop, decided to get started on the Martian, and started with an easy job! Unfortunately I forgot a real camera so its all crappy phone camera shots today... My Martian has unfortunately had a crane fitted, this required an Austin 4cyl engine, gearbox and big hydraulic pump to be mounted in the cage under the drivers side. It was blocking access to the steering system so it had to go! In due coarse the rest of the crane will be taken off as well. A nice empty cage! A pile of crap waiting to meet its maker, anyone want it?! Next up was the headlights, I wanted to see if they used standard 7" units as the chrome isn't very reflective any more! They look like a standard unit so that's good news! Standard BPF units, with FV number. Presume civvy units will fit. Next up was to check out the spotlights under the bumper, I think there are supposed to be some under there but these don't look heavy duty enough to be original? They do look old though.... No spotlights originally, headlamps should be mounted below the bumper behind 2 rather large guards, and repositioned either side of the radiator for cross country work. Next up was an epic voyage from the back to the front of the truck underneath! Dodgy wiring does my head in so I'll be completely re-wiring the lights, I did however carefully remove the old wiring so it could be restored and put back. For now I'll be happy if the lights work reliably! This was the first interesting thing I found, its tee'd into the rear brake line and has a couple of wires coming out. Surely its not just a pressure switch for the brake lights? Any ideas? Part of the Warner electric brake equipment, works through the trailer brake hand valve below the steering wheel, this bit is the pneumatic controller. It was connected to this box which must be something to do with it? Electric trailer brakes or something? Yup, as with above, this is the resistor, fed from the distribution box. This then goes to the pneumatic controller, and from there to the 4pt trailer socket. In between these two units on the crossmember should be the brake light switch, mine is. Next up was the propshaft, bad news here as there is a bit of play in the UJ's, and probably worse a bit of play in the splined sliding coupling. I do think finding a good prop is going to be needed :-( a bit worried about that... UJ's should be easy to replace if need be, think same as old leyland coaches, sliding joint loads of grease perhaps? Not sure of any SWB martians to get another from as yet. I also noticed that some of the rear steel brake pipes are corroding more than I'd like, they are holding air fine but I don't want to take any chances. I reckon its 5/8" pipe, any ideas people? 5/8" correct, or 0.628" as the book says. Next up was the winch area, I was interested to see this switch, on the Pioneer the overload pulled on a cable connected to the engine stop. I guess time has moved on and now it kills the ignition. Probably a good source of electrical problems this thing.... Part of the winch overload circuit, cuts out around 10 tons, simple make or break switch, plunger maybe seized from lack of use, easy to strip and clean. The circuit includes an engagement switch, Burgess springs to mind,that is actuated by the winch clutch lever, it can just be seen if you look in the well that the 3 levers are sited in, maybe seized up. Also lastly a relay, that is located on the inside of the instrument panel housing, left hand side. Next up was the handbrake area, the lever operates two "calipers" onto a huge disc brake, its a monster of a thing. Unfortunately the "pads" are well worn and you can see it has had washers added for some extra life. At least this should be relatively easy to get repaired, its just flat pads. Excessive pad wear caused by seized pivot pins, and there are quite a few! Strip clean and loads of copper grease. I had my disc galvanised as they look terrible rusty! The long 1/2" unf adjusting rods as at bottom of picture, can wear quite a bit where they pass through the link arm, I semi bodged mine by welding up the worn bits, grinding down and rethreading. The next thing that caught my eye was the exhaust, some of you might remember an "incident" during the initial purchase that resulted in the exhaust note becoming a bit more fruity I think I found the problem! Original exhaust maybe? It is routed right beside the fuel tank that surprised me! If you want one, Phil Jackson has one left. I originally thought about getting some made up in stainless, maybe will one day. Last job of the day was to remove the "bonnet", I've got quite a bit to do under there and the access isn't great, so for the sake of 6 bolts I took it off... Are your hinges in good nick? Access is much better now! With the bonnet off you can really appreciate how bonkers the air cleaner assembly is! The oil in it looked excellent, that's good news! I noticed this odd bottle on the bulkhead, it seems to be connected to a hand pump in the cab. Surely too small for screenwash? I wonder if its for shooting gin into the engine for cold starting? Kigas cold start system, your tank looks in good nick, similar to some tractors Ferguson TEF. And last thing was to have a look around the cab, this I reckon must be a non-original fuse box thing? I was all ready to rip it out but it does power up some interior lights that look like they could be correct? Any idea's if its original? Yup, original fitment, CAV 86-26T. Only first three switches used, 1- front cab light, 2- rear cab light, 3- rear body lights, also the fuse for the trafficators and map reading light. Buzzer not original. The fuses are simply fuae wire wrapped around a fuse bridge. So, quite a productive day, rear propshaft and rigid barke hoses on the wish list now! Anything else Duncan just ask :-) if you want any wiring diagrams or other exploded views PM your email and I'll get them scanned. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Good to see the Martians being looked after ! I hope the old girls know how lucky they are to have found you two and don't mess you about too much ! Can't be many left now ! Really looking forward to watching the forums pair progressing ! I'll keep an eye out for any huge artillery piece being thrown out by the firepower museum when I'm passing ! :nut: Very inspiring ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Someone has to look after the old girls. They do seem to be decreasing in number slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Hi Simon, Thanks for the response, excellent stuff! In response: I've got the guards below the bumper, were the same headlights moved between two bracket positions? On some kind of quick connector? Or was it an in service modification to move them higher? Thanks for confirming about the electric trailer brakes, that explains the original looking second socket on the rear... That's good news about the UJ's, I'll see what the play in the splines is like greased up, its not that bad but something I was wondering about.. Is that silencer the original part then? On the fuel tank side? Where should the tail pipe go from this box? My bonnet hinges are pretty good, they are sticking slightly which has caused a bit of fatigue but really not bad! Great info on the cold start system, yes its in pretty good condition! And I'm glad I didn't touch that CAV control box, some of the wiring just looked too well done to be after market! I'll remove the dodgy stuff, it will be useful to have a source of fused power for some newer spots etc. My traficators seemed to have been blanked off quite neatly, I'm temped to drill out the rivets and see what's lurking inside the boxes! Simon, really appreciate the response! I don't have a wiring diagram, I'll PM you my email address thanks! My truck has standard screw on military lenses at the back with large screw on covers, and rubbolite side markers and sidelights. What should it have had originally? Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Hi Duncan, the same lights were used, by simply unbolting the lamp unit and undoing the usual military bullet connectors, and moved to the other mountings. The trailer brake operates through the 4 point socket, the smaller 12 point socket is part of the NATO wiring upgrade, which also included proper indicators and brake lights. Your silencer does look like the original part, being quite long and thin - about 5" diameter, quite small diameter exhaust pipe too, 2 or 2 1/2 ". Between the fuel tank and auxiliary gearbox is the correct place for it, and the tailpipe crosses the vehicle and exits at the back end of the wheel chain cage, should be a clamp bolted to it. The trafficator boxes will most likely be empty, I think there should be an aluminium cover on either side of the cab, just behind the front doors, just screwed on. The original lighting set up was just the headlights, and sidelights (trumpet type) at the front, and at the rear a convoy plate lamp, number plate lamp and two taillights (trumpet type again), fitted into the rear body upright channel, there is a hole in both sides, and the lower portion is slightly bulged out too. The lighting upgrade removed the old trumpet tail lights, replacing them with the usual military lamps and large 4" diameter lenses, and outrigger lamps either side at the rear too. The front lamps were unaffected, apart from the inclusion of Butlers indicators mounted atop the front wings. 12 pt socket on left, with spring loaded lift up flap, 4 pt socket on right, with screw cap, exhaust pipe non standard! Best pic I could find of the headlamp mounting points and guards. Tailpipe routing from the silencer. NS lamp bracket. OS lamp bracket, and no plate mounting, no plate lamp in centre, also just see the convoy plate, the mounting for that being a bit of angle iron. The original location of the tail lamps, in the hole at the bottom of the left hand upright, if you can make out the rusty splodge with a couple of holes in it, halfwayish between the two uprights, the out rigger mounting is bolted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Outstanding as always!!@ Much appreciated... A few more questions I'm afraid! the smaller 12 point socket is part of the NATO wiring upgrade Ah, that would explain the additional, but very well done wiring that ran alongside the original cable tied to the brake pipes. The trafficator boxes will most likely be empty Have you ever seen one with trafficators? I presume they were removed with the upgrade to conventional indicators. and sidelights (trumpet type) at the front Do you have a picture or a link to these indicators? Mine has rubbolite ones mounted into the front bumpers. I have the same tail/indicator/convoy lights as those pictures and also the holes for the original tail lights. if you can make out the rusty splodge with a couple of holes in it, halfwayish between the two uprights, the out rigger mounting is bolted there. What's this outrigger for? I'm confused :nut: One other request for now, I think you have some NOS handbrake pads? Could you measure the thickness of the friction material so I know how to get them re-done. Thanks Simon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Should the front side lights be this type of glass screw on lens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The side lights were origainally like these. Though I think maybe the FV1110 and FV1119 were of that type, or the larger 4" diameter lense. The handbrake shoes have a material thickness of 5/16", not a lot, but then they shouldn't really do a lot of work. I think that outrigger lamps are a legal requirement on vehicles over a certain length, whereas on your truck they have been retro fitted on the cab sides just behind your back doors. I have found a slightly better shot of the location, circled in red. This is the type fitted, made by Britax or similar. The entire trafficator system would've been removed at the time of upgrade, I don't think that I've ever come across any decent pics of any before the upgrade. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Cool thanks Simon, I doubt I will be able to find the correct side lights so I'll probably just go for the military screw in type. It will look a bit better than the rubbolite ones that are falling apart. Interesting to see the side marker lamps, I'd say the cab sides are probably a better location. Those rubber types look better than what I've got so I might go with them. I'll read up on the legal side of what I'm doing... Thanks for the scanned wiring diagrams too, excellent stuff.... Oh and one final question, do you know if the brake pipe fittings are done with olives or flares? I've found 5/8" seamless steel tubing (BS & CFS rated) do you think that would be suitable for making up new brake pipes? Any ideas? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Duncan, they do come up on ebay once in a while, or the components required can be got separately, ie cheap no plate lamps, use the back half of that and the trumpet cone side lamp lens. It's quite possible that I have some extra in the shed, as I seem to aquire things that may be of use in the future. As for brake pipes, the book says thay should be copper tubing, but that's b*ll*x, the pipes I've removed for cleaning/stripping have been steel, so I would guess bundylin, so any steel tube would suffice, just need to get the bends correct, or as near to. I'm pretty sure the brake pipes were finished with olives at the ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Thanks Simon, I'll put an ebay search together for them and sit and wait! No need to raid your parts store, I might need your help with another more critical part later on. If you do see anything Martian related (That you aren't buying yourself) on ebay please give me a shout, especially manuals! Good to know about the brake pipes, olive fitment should make it relatively straight forward. The pipe I found wasn't genuine bundylin but it was properly rated for hydraulic use so I don't see a problem with the air pressure we are talking about. Some of the bends might be interesting, mine aren't that bad but a few I'd like to change. I ordered up some of the spiral wound rubber hose for the flexi joints. Edited January 28, 2013 by madrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 All because the lady loves......Scammell Leyland :nono: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 All because the lady loves......Scammell Leyland Well until I own a Scammell again I guess that should stay?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Duncan, to get started on obtaining some manuals, try Mark at vintage mv manuals. http://www.mark.clubaustin.co.uk/index.htm He can supply copies of N622 Technical Description, 12239 User Handbook, 14886 Illustrated Spare Parts List. I have a couple of Service Schedule copies if you want one. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrat Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Hi Simon, Thanks for the link, I will drop Mark an email.... Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No probs. He does also lists an earlier parts list 12813, but I'm not sure if it's any good or not, as I've not come across it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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