ted angus

To clarify-- my Coventry Climax comment was re the trailer in the picture at message 17 : I have a note of the trailer maker somewhere ?? I will try and find it.

TED

I can't see why they would use any colour other than light stone. Maybe the lighting, camera settings or weathering make it look different?

My paintshops applied hundreds of gallons of BS 361 Lt Stone and BS 285 matt Green and that is what that is, remember every pc monitor laptop , graphics programme changes the colour each person sees. Also there are 7 levels of paint sheen used by the MoD from matt to high gloss - matt Lt Stone looks different to semi matt to eggshell to satin etc etc. Just before GW2 we started to use a B & C agent proof desert cam color BS 380, but that has a pink tinge in certain light. For interest a new green known as "Land Green" is in use especially on RE PFI vehicles & plant and certain RAF equipments ; Also a new desert colour is about to happen - possibly already being used . ?? its possible these will have a Pantone range number

TED

So what's the tale? Where there diffrent types? Mine is supposed to be just pre war. It does have an overun brake.

Tony, I would almost be willing to put a days pension on yours having been cobbled from a Coventry Climax trailer pump chassis axle wheels, legs tow/eye/brake assy and retractable handling bars on the front .

TED l will look and see if l have any Drawings OF Q 4s if that will help if you could give me a list of information that would help you no matter what give me a try Even l do not know whats in the files no matter how Daft like YOUR model over the years l have collected quite a few most where presentions biggest is 5ft 6 long 14 inches wide 11 inches high in metal of the scammell commander and trailer l envy any one like you who can make models

 

 

 

REGARDS WALLY

Wally what I could do with is a nearside view or drawing and a rear view or drawing of the recovery example. ;

regards

TED

Am I seeing things, or does the blurb for the Humber Snipe say 9 feet 5 inch ground clearance?

It does I can't remember where I got that obviously a scan from a magazine possibly ??

TED

JUST looked it up it appears in the 1956 CHERTSEY BOOK EXHIBIT 51 PAGES 144 /145 but you may already know this

Hi Wally , the only reference I have is in Pat Ware's book on FVRE types he quotes 1958 -?? his typo no doubt ?? - and the picture I posted; anything else very gratefully received; I am building a model, I know the underbody layout is different from the later Bedford RL - thant can be seen from the pic I posted, but the dimension from behind the cab to the rear axle is shorter on the Commer so the near side body will be different as well- at the moment I am assuming the nearside is the same as the Bedford but with one less stowage comp ; Here is where I am so far but changes can still be made ??

TED

Gents I am looking for photographs of the attached, I believe it was shown at the 1958 Chertsey show as FV 13218,

It was mentioned in a fairly recent Classic Military Vehicle mag in a letter in reply to an article on the Commer Q4 variants.

The letter stated it bore the MoS reg number of RGX 133 but having found this picture in my files I know it is actually RGX 139. Any help would be gratefully recieved .

I am also looking for pictures of a handful of the Commer Q4 with workshop bodies that were reregistered to the RAF.

Thank You

Regards

TED

YOUR question about civillian type registration numbers this stopped been used on military vehicles after the fall of france

and was replaced by a system refered to as cenus numbers all vehicle numbers would start with a prefix letter this would tell you what the vehicle was IE A was a ambulance Z trucks under 1 ton and so on This would be followed a series of

numbers example Z 123456 the RAF and NAVY adopted there own system l hope this helps abit to understand

Just to add a bit to Wally's In the 1930s both CC reg and census numbers ran together, whilst vehicles displayed their CC reg number in the prescribed manner they frequently also carried their census number. There seems to have been a prescribed layout for the census number with the prefix letter above the numerals .

TED

1937 all UK military vehicles displayed a county council civvy reg number, this is a R.E. TA unit. The Army reg is on the door in small letters. It looks like a Thornycroft ZS/TC4 a purpose built Searchlight truck with a generator under the bonnet in front of the engine.

TED

Thanks Graham saves having a search

TED

GRAHAM l will go along with your thinking you have looked at the photos in depth yes the motorcycle is in both photos

its a bit of a coincidence that they would take THE MOKE AND THE BIKE to another location yes the landrovers are army

there is no doubt so chertsey seems to be the location well done HOLMES

 

REGARDS WALLY

I will have a look on PATHE tonight sure their is some exbo footage ?

ted

HI TED the reason for my mentioning a exhibition been hosted by the RAF was l had a friend who worked at J A T E

who contacted me for the loan of some vehicles for a thing they where putting on this photograph could have been taking

at such a event also graham has already contacted HENDON and awaits a reply AS to the role of the MOKE at CHERTSEY WE have the paper work copies of which l hope to give to GRAHAM WHEN HE COMES OVER

 

 

 

regards wally

Of course JATE pity the background of the pics do not reveal anything; I noticed from the couple of Chertsey exbo catologues I have seen incorrect pictures for the period ?

TED

I joined 1964 and never heard of RAF exhibitions our stuff was shown at Chertsey with all the Army stuff the only exception being a couple of fire fighting exhibitions. You cannot safely give a date for RAF stuff from the reg number, for example - Mk 6 fire trucks were mostly 23 AG ** circa 1958 and 26 AG** circa 1962/3 but then bingo we have a batch dated 1960 which slid nicely into an unused block of 03 AG** numbers !! I wonder if Bryan has the 27AE03 record card at Hendon ??

TED

thank you kind Sir !

Fantastic were there any Civil defence or fire service on there please

TED

There are many RAF Arm car pictures on the internet plus many of the 11 Hussars in Palestine pre WW2. Especially The Library of Congress site where a Palestine search will throw up a mass of UK vehicles. On a modelling forum where some of the members go to extreme lengths to research vehicle types there was a mass of talk on the armoured cars; My head was buzzing and I couldn't keep pace with it- but what I did glean was the RAF's first cars were as Bryan says starting with WW1 pattern, it seems the different army types are well documented and then there are those built for the Air Ministry culminating with the Fordson remounts by Thomas Cook Garage of Cairo. The turret depth in the LIFE picture in my post 86 were highlighted to me and are the product of 2 different build batches/years.

Attached are 2 more shots, there is a famous picture that has been published many times which shows a guy in a peaked cap standing on a fordson turret during thier time as D Sqn captions often say an army officer standing on the car giving inmstructions to the RAFchaps - Mnn I would think 2 ACC could give the Hussars a lesson or two I think the guy in the shot I refer to is one of the RAF crew ' The peaked cap was often the chosen headdress of car crews and they remained on issue to MT drivers throughout WW2 .

TED

Caunter scheme is really eye catching. Would make the vehicle definitly stand out.

I have always thought we hear very little about the pre WW2 period when the RAF Armoured car Sqns enforced the law in those distant lands, so I wanted to do a RR circa 1937 in Iraq No 1 A C Co , Just about finished that when I read about No 2 A C Co on loan to the Army as D Sqn 11 Hussars so researched the Caunter and produced the attached pair.

TED

Perhaps they decided to it as well independently. I know Samson is usually cited as the person proving the utility of the armoured car to the British establishment. I have a copy of Fletcher's War Cars at work, so I'll have a look tomorrow and see what it says.

 

Back on topic, a Fordson would have to be desert colours as 2 Armoured Car Company, RAF were the only users of the type.

There are lots of photos on the internet and film on PATHE of 2 Sqn's Fordsons in the Caunter scheme, attached are a couple. The third attachment is from an order of the time giving the correct colours for the Caunter scheme ' The colour without a BSC is the then new Kahki Green No 3. TED

HI l think you will find that its a second glider pilots wings

WALLY et Al I should have known this but had to drag the books out, it is most likely the ATC Gliding Instructors wings or it could be the wings adult airmen were/are allowed to wear if they attain solo glider status after enrolling in the RAF. My Flt Commander at Bruggen used to wear the latter we were quite merciless in calling him "Sir the over grown space cadet" !! The 2 types are possibly identical or very near !

TED

yep thats what it was, pipes in sump split, filled my engine with water...unbelievable...so if I bypass this, and the engine is planned to run for a long time I need to fit an electric fan to the radiator?

 

 

I am going to fit an alternator to it to as having continuous charging issues...

Not convinced an electric fan would suffice for prolonged pumping, If you are just going to pump out the tank contents you should be safe without the intercooler- but otherwise you really would be best advised to sort it. Have you had a good look at the control box re the charging problem; In the Scottish storage Depots in the 1950s & 60s they stored the GGs with the control boxes removed they hate damp and of course well past their sell by date

Good luck

TED

I can see why an intercooler might be fitted to provide additional engine cooling when static pumping for long periods - but was it also intended to provide an anti-freezing 'water warming' facility to protect the pto driven water pump?

Just filled the greengoddess with water, drove around the corner and she went bang, or at least started spewing out water and oil everywhere....is there a connection between the engine and the water tank...because it has proceeded to empty the water tank through the engine...got us foxed...

If the tank valve is open the tank can drain into the pump volute, this in turn will act uponl the pipes to the intercoolers. once these are full all will stay at steady level until the intercooler in the sump fails internally; the weight of water in the tank will act on the water in the pipes and the water will be forced into the sump I think the rest may be history . Even if the tank valve is closed the water in the pipes alone will cause mayhem if it gets into the sump via a failer intercooler . Given their age this is not the first internal intercooler failure in recent years : Assuming of course I have understood your post correctly ????????????? The answer is yes the tank can drain into the engine.

TED

Ted- The K3 is listed in the the early MoS Databook of RAF Vehicles; the one you don't have yet.

Hi Bryan I have just obtained a part copy someone copied their's for me Are you referring to page 69 ? ifs so that is the 6x4 K3YF which was retitled by Austin to K6, I am thinking about the 4x2 version ??

regards

TED

Im thinking the £20 for 5 lts was a bit unrealistic but the guy assured me its true ? something JOHNSON in Rotherham ??? anyone ? how much did you pay Richard ? also have you had any joy with tyres , I recently scored 4 petlas 900 x 16 from withams , but they are a bit of a enigma because al;l the codes on them state 8 ply yet they are clearly embossed in a little panel 6 ply ??? they are the 120 kmh rated jobs so not agricultural trailer types ? slightly confusing

I bought 5 ltr Deep bronze green from Frank in 2005 it was over £30 then - used a cheap little spray gun with an even cheaper B & Q compressor got a really nice finish; invest in some proper synthetic spray thinners much better than white spirit.

TED

Hi Bryan Have you ever seen a picture of a K3 in RAF markings ??? Have a K3 to build but it doesn't figure in any data book list I have or in any of the tables in the 1944 AP 3090- where as some very obscure types do . There is a front view in Les Freathy's book but it has a bridge class plate 5 so I think its more likely a K2 . I think the front views of them are identical.

The oil problem is very interesting it has surfaced several times over the years. My Dad's section vehicle (RE) was a K5 and he used to say apart from the built in siren it was a great truck.

Regards TEd