wally dugan

Numbers  25 AGB 81 to 25 AG 85 are listed as THORNEYCROFT TFB/B80 DRIVER TRAINING TRUCK?

Built 1942 Wartime number Z 49O4605  you will be very lucky to find anything as to it's army service

AUSTIN K9 numbers  29 BG 47 to 79 BG 56 were all cargo  79 BG 57 to 81 BG 96  wireless repair  81 BG 97 to  87 BG 46 MIXED ambulance and water tanker 87 BG  47 to  99 BG 46  FFW     so yours is a GS /CARGO   

l have found my list of ROYAL NAVY VRN's there where three listed 47 RN 40/44/ 56 which was dated 1991

another RN ONE 47 RN 40/5485 FLEET AIR ARM  OI AY 51 TO 01 AY 53 MY MISTAKE  there are lot's of three ton 4x4 s fire tenders listed but l have no idea  if there DP 1's or what

SAM sorry about RLC but this has happened before the cards seem to have gone a stray between beverley and RLC  the cards where all copied as part of the requirement for registration as a full museum in case of loss in fire or flood and the details recorded and placed on a master list  which was held off site for safe keeping

Having a quick look through the files  first it is SUN ENGINEERING FELTHAM secondly the  PD is not a p it appears quite clearly written else were as TRUCK FIRE FIGHTING FD FOAM Thorneycroft . Also TENDER FIRE CRASH Thorneycroft sent to HMS  HERON YEOVILTON 47 RN 44 /6781 this the first fire engine  with a RN NUMBER. As l said l know nothing about fire engines but the more l look the more l am puzzled  just checked its the one on page 90 of the FVRDE 1962 CATALOGUE

MARK a question for you in amongst some files  there are listed THORNEYCROFT 4X4 fire tenders with the suffix PD not DP some have army registration numbers some sent to SUN ENGINEERING ?

on the DP3 l can only add  afew  27 AG 14 to 27 AG 23  01 AY 51 to 01 AY 53 as to ones that may have been RN they used to reissue the registration numbers Any in the army service l have not looked

numbers allocated to DP 1s 23 AG 96 to 25 AG 80 DP2 25 AG 86 to 26 AG 45

They are the rear brake shoes for the saxon

l know nothing about fire engines other than a lot are painted red and l keep away from them a lot went to FVRDE over the years 4x2 4x4 6x6 these are just two that were there

Never been a fan of fire engines but first Thorneycroft DP 4X4 seem to appear it the late 1950s in the list of RAF FLEET numbers the 6x6  in 1960

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

l thought you may like to see a picture of one of the Stalwarts on your list while taking part in the cross country trials at FVRDE you can make out it's wing number

 l just found the vehicle lists for the  1956 and 1962  FVRDE  EXHIBITIONS as you know the picture in both of the fv651 [ A ] is the same  but you may not be aware of its number the salamander was 03 AG 46. As l said a number of stalwarts went to MVEE with only the wing number one that was sent to R A E BEDFORD  from there had wing number 6219  it appears in the ledger at FVRDE without a registration.        As to your PM the video in all is over fifty minutes long and covers the factory floor showing SALADINS been made as well as Salamander  been trailed stalwarts cross  Country as well  in the sea all so the early stalwart prototypes it was transferred from 16mm to vhs  and with the original 16 mm is in storage because of the need to be preserved two part sections were copied   one for dave jenner a

HALF way through found half a dozen sent to MVEEE that have a wing number but no registration and none match your list for Stalwarts . Here are  few more 91 ET 68  /8489 88 ET 72 /7756 07 EK 58 /7311 08 ER 34 /7446 15 BT 08 /6308 These are Salamanders 23 AG 84 /5622 26 AG 66 /6622 HAVING break now will look through the remaining ledger pages in the next few days

2720RW IS PV2 PV3/6447 ALV 2/6308 RGX875/4991 RGX 791/5388 23 AG 67/5997 26 AG 64/6622 03 AG 46/6782 24 EK 68 /7251 24 EK 46 /7241  24 EK 69/ 7242 24 EK 51/ 7248   24 EK 72 /7252 24 EK 43/ 7253 09 ER 65/8352  STAL 56/7030 17 ET 09 /8353 16 ET 86 /7815 l have only gone through 20 pages up till now

one thing l seem to remember FVRDE trade plates used TP no DU 

09 CE 89 contract number 6/v/26215 down as a cargo HISTORY CARD should be at RLC

here's some to go on with 24 EK 07 / 7045  24 EK 0O / 7068    24 EK O9 /7047 24 EK 69 7242 / PV 10 WAS THE COACHMAN on the subject of the FV 651 Chassis only there were two registration number  23 AC 63 / 5453 AND   23 AG 84 /5622   THE AC  one may be a error  and should be  AG will sort out the others but suffering with grit in left eye

a number of post war AUSTINS WERE fitted with the ZENITH 42VI 8  austin sixteen  1946/47 austin A70      austin 25 cwt of early 1950s

Mark this how it works if a prototype vehicle went under tests it would have one of the following or even two a P prefix a SP NUMBER a service number a civilian number and or ESTABLISHMENT number any of these with this l can start also vehicles  tested at CHRISTCHURCH some times went with none of these only to receive its' identity on return to FVRDE . There are hundreds of items listed in the ledgers in no order or type and in some case's not in date order

l have just checked the history card index which is the list of history cards that were once held at the museum of army transport it lists all the 9K AUSTIN held there up to 2003 these are for the contract number 6/V/7877 registration numbers 29 BG 47 TO  99 BG 46 There was only number 00 BG 01 to                  29 BG 46 allocated to the MORRIS MAR 1 these two vehicle take up the whole of the BG series

In this case there is no starting point for me  to start looking