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I spoke to the DVLA at Brighton about the chassis. As the chassis I am using will be heavily modified to form an exact replica of the original, using original parts where possible and new manufactured parts where needed then they can class it as a newly manufactured replacement part. They would then stamp the chassis with the original chassis number. The original chassis would have to be destroyed for this. The other option in a worst case scenario is that they class the chassis swap as using a newer chassis, which apparently costs 5 points on thier point system. Provided I use original axles (2 points), engine (1 point), steering (2 points) and gearbox (2 points) then the vehicle will remain tax-exempt as the rebuild scores more than 8 points.
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That has to be well noted.
I have often wondered about this aspect of chassis ferrous DNA , it seems you can renew tow-members or even fit a half chassis , all the x-members , all the outriggers and keep nibbling away at what is left (or just sweep the rust wastage off the garage floor & bin it) - providing you maintain that last 1/2" x 4" bit of dumb-iron with the branded number (and obviously if a PO has renewed the dumb irons - then the proof is gone in any case). I have always maintained that if you have proof of legal title to ownership of two used chassis then this is a possibility - just never asked the authorities.
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Just wondering if you have considered all aspects of your chassis research . Your £50 S3 chassis - did you get any documentation with it ? Have you (alternatively) identified the serial number off the chassis and done a search with Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon - this is the only possibility of maintainig free road tax legally.
There were very few S3 made up to the end of 1972 - so you accept that it will probably not have the road tax historic status that a new chassis from Richards would benefit from.
Don't dispose of the combat chassis - you may need it as evidence - if at some later date you wish to move the remaining parts of the truck on to a new chassis as funds allow.
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But it has as a carb that lifts of better than a 36IV, it is a Solex:D
In the Transit fiche several of the look alikes, are labelled Weber. I have never tangled with "Webers" on Rovers, but could this be for a Rover?
I once found a Weber carb in full military packaging labelled with the DMC 7RU. This of course is a VAOS/DMC for Rover. This might explain why an enthusiasts of Rovers would have had it?
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SOLEX were good - the fewer component parts the better
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Just bolt it on the Rover 2.1/4 pet. in that Shoreland - if it lifts off better than with a 36IV we will all be bidding on eBay .
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It could stay beached as part of the govenment budget MOD spending review cuts. Skye and the western highlands will then have a free reactor as part of their contribution to the latest naming of suitable sites for the next round of nuclear power stations.
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And this is why the whole situation should be brought to the attention of The Plain English Campaign , preferably by M.V. Club(s) not by a individual.
We all wish to understand and educate ourselves - not to ignore. High salary best legal brains will be used to draw up all these amd. However as I stated earlier - they do not wish anybody (even the police) to be able to understand by working through it all in a logical manner.
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Regulation is not the law. Regulation is made under an all embracing enabling act and signed off by a minister.
As it is not law - Regulation needs a test case in a court of law. Within regulations you will find definitions of certain words and yet other important words that should be defined are not so. Regulation is written by greek language students that are trained in law and how to write regulations such that the government agencies concerned , the police and members of the public do not understand the regulations. This iw the whole intention despite protestations of the Plain English Campaighn
http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/
There is a simple reason , they don't understand and they don't wish anybody to understand - that is until there is "Case Law" - the judge decides how the regulation should be interpreted such that it is read and understood how Parliament (the minister who signed it off) intended it to be read and understood - this is given in the summing up. Until then , no government body has a interpretation of a regulation that can be argued superior to that of a member of the public.
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Land Rover Part No. NRC 9011
You will see them on US Ranger RSOV (6 lifting points)
Some WMIK
Look on the OTOKAR web site - very common on their mil. trucks
Believe it or not - ISTR the 90" Dinky @ The Airborne Museum (winch fitted) - it has them fitted.
Been around a few years ..
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HD - as used on heavy wolf(s) in centre.
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Reference.
Armoured and Heavy Duty Vehicles of the RUC by David Dune.
page 75
There are identical "points" on 96EN77 , described as Land Rover of the commanding officer of the 17/21st Lancers , further described as being the first to be fitted with VPK.
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Noted later in the book that many photographs of such as Tangi have loops (recovery I would say) in the same position with access holes in the expanmet skirt (some having hinged cover flaps).
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IMHO The front bumperettes are air-lift (the lifting points out of sight and do not take a correct sized shackle easy / if at all). It could be that they fitted them where recovery teams expected to find them in a hurry in a typical NI situation (and to match what tackle they used).
However looking through the book the front loops often used are standard loops or the rear larger loops (as used on front of Pink Panther and possibly for same reason - weight).
It could be that the added weight of VPK took the loading beyond the standard lifting points - so they produced these special HD points.
You will find that the present heavy equiped Wolf versions - some have a similar extra HD front lifting point , obviously the standard Rover front loops or JATE ring bolts are unable to take the weight.
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The site owner - probably obtains his source material from the US where it will have been cleared , British munition for Davey Crockett probably still subject to UK OSA.
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Interesting site - will have to wait for the next wet afternoon to slowly read through it.
I have done a bit of Gooooooogling around the words "Wee Gwen" with suitable words such as MOD & nuclear - strange - nothing turns up !!!
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And here is another Land Rover quite likely a GJ registration with a board across the front possible saying "Military Police"?
What do you think?
R
Can be sort of accurate dated (roof repairs).
The "Military Police" plate red on white background - I have one with a ref. number (reflective).
Also I have the same but reversible with red letters on black background (active service) - can't find it just now but IIRC both sides reflective and current type.
Also I have one with original reflective red on whit background BUT the reverse side has has black vinyl covering and then very neat red die-cut transfer letters (red) applied - so it seems modified reversible to red on black "active-service". So when (year date please) did red letters on black background originate ?
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Does that mean a Mosquito built by the Canadian Car and Foundry Co. isn't a real Mosquito?
Irrespective of country of assembly , Mk. engines , engine(s) manuf. D of M , pre or post WW2 active service - of course it would be a Mosquito (but in any case I don't thing any were still built in the 1950's) . Being so rare - either static or flying IMHO WW2 era. presentation would be acceptable if a little Waltish to the rivet counters.
However due to the scale and numbers of the Hotchkiss and French re-builds (even with selective re-assembly of correct body / chassis etc. again re-built as WW2 era. - they are all Walts and should be described as such , well base rims changed for divided , Solex changed for Carter etc. etc. etc. If you wish to have the real ww" era. thing - you would need to have one authenticated by a reliable body and of course the price will be high.
It has been a mini industry within a established industry - fooling the unwary for over 40 years that I am aware of.
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I would say you are wrong , a M201 is a M201 (although in service I suppose it may have had a few US NOS bits fitted) . Such as a French MALT rebuild is the "Hotchpotch"
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Although I have always had an interest in WW2 & Hotchkiss - I don't bother to track prices close, not interested in the Milweb style "asking prices" - you give me examples of what a minta M201 is actually £ making.
IIIRC - about 1980 they were trading for about £1000 but could be a bit sticky , ISTR that after two 12v were painted with a white star on the bonnet (at my suggestion) - they were parked up and sold off the street with a £1500 ticket each. Yes , I think that they have been quite a good investment over the years but on the back of genuine WW2 vehicles Jeep back-to back & £ for £ I would find a decision to go beyond the price of a M201 with a rock solid original body , to go WW2 is to be justified as a investment. Yes , I do like a minta M201 presented as such.
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why a jeep? every man and his dog have a jeep, get something different that stands out from the crowd.:cool2:
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These are certainly different , other than the obvious - I know little more to comment. Against a Jeep - I suppose BOGOF
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For £9k you very unlikely to find a 100% original ww2 Jeep, there a lots of Hotchkiss based Jeeps oftem passed off as ww2, most will be rebuilds with lots of Hotchkiss parts and probably Phillipine repro body but its still a Jeep
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IMHO , I would agree with this. You are not going to get a Jeep with all F (Ford) script on major / minor parts. Other than non WW2 authenticity I would rate a good Hotchkiss (with original nomenclature plates) but not to a premium price of £9/10,000 plus - there seems to be a bit of talking the prices up here , a Hotchkiss M201 should be rated and priced as a M201. Philipino repro bodies do the job but the vehicle price should take a hammering. High value WW2 Jeeps should be priced on good originality.
A Jeep that has been - rebuilt once or twice such as a MALT with M201 parts etc. a real mongrel or "Hotchpotch" , I don't think deserve a valuation of more than £5/6000 if in the best of condition, even with a set of combat rims and dodgy nomenclature plates + plenty of chassis paint to cover well any history brandings.
http://www.m201.com/ITM/ITM.htm
The truth sometimes hurts.
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Loads of this for you to Google on these dark nights - problem became serious over 25 years ago , more or less sorted now.
Light commercials & cars - same problems , same causes , similar solutions.
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The situation has never changed (you will be well aware of such wheel problems and subsequent long history of wheel loss + investigations of wheel fixing nuts & associated problems by RHA & HSE) , periodic thorough examination by competent person , logging of findings - serviceable/unserviceable , appropriate actions , keeping of records.
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Now you are mixed up and are getting way off track with what is acceptable and what is not.
The specialist wheel firms probably do have acceptable written and approved procedures , however the US is the Wild West (as is the UK). These firms are of limited liability , a serious case and they bust themselves and set up trading as another limited liability business. Only in recent years has the law regarding directors liability been tightened up here - but there remains sufficient bolt-holes. A individual or a sole trader with assetts to be got at - different ball game.
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In the event of a incident involving fatality or serious injury , there will be criminal court , inquest and probably civil court (to apportion blame).
At any court there will be "expert witnesses" or a "joint expert witness".
To cut a long story short - the info. that he will give to the bench is that the parties completing the weld repair should be able to present as part of their documentary evidence 1) approved weld procedures (normally to such as BS / EN ISO etc. etc. etc. , that is approval by a reputable body (best leave that) 2) if manual welded - Welder approvals , (coded and working within extent of their approvals + time limit).
Anything less and you will be hammered in court and your insurance probably void.
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With Lightweights , the list below is quite accurate (from known vrm docs). Other Land Rovers esp. Ambulances / 101" - it does not quite follow in some years , ISTR (Solihull re-manufacture).
FG 69-70
FH 69-70
FJ 70-71
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FK 71,72,73
FL 72-73
FM 73-74
GB 74-75
GF 75-76
GJ 76
GN 77/78
GT 78/79
GX 79
HF 79/80
HG 80
HH 80-81
HJ 81
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Tri-service
KA 82/83
KB 83/84
KC 84
KD 84 (last built 24 volt but Non-FFR)
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Yes I noticed that. What is visable of the no. plate may make the Landi a 74-75 build. (but I stand corrected)
Andy
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Probably more - towards '75 to '76 build
1964 Rover 8 FFR.
in Blogs of MV restorations
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Only a monocoque counts towards the historic status points , Land Rover - it is the chassis frame , the bodywork counts for nothing.