timbo

Have you tried Banisters ? Search some of the threads for more info. He's usually pretty good. I thought the engine was VW derived so maybe VW parts dealer..?

Good luck

We have just started working on a pair of very sad CVRT Sabres, which both need quite a lot of work.

 

 

 

Hi Chris

 

They're certainly grubby but they don't look toooo bad, at least externally. Missing wiring looms could be a pain though.

 

I have a selection of take out engines for you to peruse if you need a couple...!

 

Cheers and look forward to seeing the pics as you progress..

Yep felt like it to me too...

Amazing how many vehicles seem to have served with 17/21 - seem to be the modern day equivalent of 101st Airborne ! Guess the motto has a certain appeal and there doesn't seem to be much choice in regimental markings these days.

Thanks for very informative response as ever..

You need a copy of the Merlin printout and see what that says!

Yep and one of these days I'll get round to requesting it...!

I think the sight cowl might have come off a different vehicle, but it would still of course be a striker since not used on any other variants.

Clansman thread has got me thinking - my striker has 17/21 sticker on the cowl cover...

I always thought 17/21 used MBT's, or at least only had a few cvrt in very early days...?

Anybody know if this could be real or is it a 'walt' addition ?

Ta

As you surely know, Striker was the CVR(T) Swingfire ATGM launch vehicle. During my time they belonged to the RA and 15/19H battlegroup usually had a GW troop from J (Sidi Rezegh) Battery, 3 RHA attached (the Striker at Bovy bears J Bty markings). At other periods, GW support was organic to the battlegroup, such that 15/19H had a troop of Mark 5 Ferrets in 76-77 and I believe GW came back again after I had left.

 

(The ownership of diverse elements within a regiment has forever gone back and forth. This is a classic example: is it better for the RA to control guided missiles or for the RAC to control anti-tank weapons?)

 

Anyway. Trying to stay on topic. In 1976 (I don't think Striker was generally in service by then: like I said 15/19H had Mark 5 Ferrets) the Armd Recce Regiment's Command Net was on HF and we had C13 sets to work it. Other combat arms used VHF and had C42 A-sets for distance work and B47 B-sets for shorter-range work.

 

When Recce worked with other arms, we needed VHF. Section commanders' vehicles had a C42 B-set while section second-vehicles had a B47.

 

By 1977 when 3 Armd Div had deployed to BAOR, Recce sabre troops were only being issued VHF kit (C42 / B47) so that the whole combat team were using the same kit. Marvellous idea.

 

So during the Clansman period I'd expect Striker more likely than not to have UK/VRC 353 A-set for combat team / battle group command net work as stated by schliesser92. Might they have a 321? Well, being RA attached, I'd guess that they may want comms with their parent unit. VHF simply wouldn't have the range, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a 321 B-set tuned in to an RA guard net.

 

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Stormer. I'd never heard of this vehicle until somebody posted a pic here recently. Since it looks like a stretched Spartan, I'll assume its role was APC. In the combat team role, as you can see from above, I'd expect a 353 A-set and a VHF B-set, which would probably have been a vehicle-mounted 351 / 352.

 

However we need a little aside here. Recce got Sultan ACVs at all levels as soon as they became available. Armour and infantry continued using 432 ACVs for a long time (like the rest of the army). I have been out a long time but I imagine having petrol-engined CVR(T)s in a diesel organisation like an armoured regiment or an mech inf bn is asking for a logistical nightmare. I understand that at some point, armour and inf got Sultan. I am fairly sure that on occasion, units used Spartan as an ACV in the absence of Sultan and managed quite nicely without all the headroom.

 

(The CO was given an Orbat - order of battle - which gave him so many vehicles and so many officers, NCOs and men to crew them. The CO could in fact do whatever he wanted.

 

I believe for example that officially according to the OrBat, the CO's rover was not a Land Rover, but a Mark 1 Ferret, which offered a little more armour protection than the thin aluminium skin of a Land Rover. However, half colonels are by nature of their experience, shall we say into middle age and the turret of a Ferret is more suited to a young man than a CO with the weight of The Regiment* about him. I never saw a CO in a Ferret: they all, without exception, gave their Ferrets to be Rebros. Sadly for the RSM, there simply weren't enough Land Rovers in the Orbat to let him have one, so the RSM was stuck with a Ferret.)

 

So, back to Stormer. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that units might locally designate one of these vehicles to be an ACV and have a non-standard radio fit including HF.

 

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432. These were used in so many roles that your guess is as good as mine. In the infantry rifle section role I'd expect a 353 and a 351/2. In the armour / infantry battle group ACV role I'd expect to see a 353 to talk down to the combat teams, a 321 on the divisional guard net and some secure kit to talk up to Brigade / Division. In my day secure VHF provided by a modified Larkspur C42 because they hadn't got as far as encryption for Clansman so I can express no opinion on Clansman secure kit.

 

In the armour / infantry combat team ACV role I'd expect to see a 353 to talk down to rifle platoons, another to talk up to battle group and a 321 on the guard net.

 

But 432s, as schliesser92 can probably tell you better, had all sorts of configurations, being used at all sorts of higher formation HQs.

 

I hope this gives you a feel for just how much big the answer to your question is,

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* The SAS tell you that The Regiment is their term and applies to 22 SAS. This is rubbish. To every soldier who ever lived, The Regiment is The Family and whichever regiment it is, it is the best.

I have been thinking about posting a similar question to this myself for some time but haven't as I was afraid the answer might be something like this ie just about anything could be possible !

In simple terms though the most simple set up would be a VRC353, although it sounds like this could well be augmented with a 321 or a PRC type set, BUT....

I've seen a few vehicles with two VRC353's fitted side by side - would this really have happened and what purpose would it serve...?

Cheers !

2 Scorpions, 2 Scimitars, 1 Samson

 

Plus a number of other CVRTs reportedly went down with Atlantic Conveyor - must have been a big ship that one !!

 

If I remember rightly one of the Scorps was disabled by anti personnel mines, no crew injuries..

 

Cheers

Apologies just checked some other threads and they're quoting 4 Scorps, 4 Scimitars and 1 sammy, but of course they may be no more correct than me...!

2 Scorpions, 2 Scimitars, 1 Samson

Plus a number of other CVRTs reportedly went down with Atlantic Conveyor - must have been a big ship that one !!

If I remember rightly one of the Scorps was disabled by anti personnel mines, no crew injuries..

Cheers

very close with the spelling but its a conical sieve and used for taking pips and lumps out of jams or syrups

can also be used for draining spaggetti but takes ages to dry it as keeps a lot of water in the middle

Now I get it - as the old saying goes am army marches on it's strawberry jam....!

I bought 4 new ammo boxes, 1x large ally box, 2 bench seats, 2 tables, ATU wing box, 2 x Mk6 antenna mounts and a side antenna arm, 1x large chefs knife, suive, and large spoon with holes in.

Forgive my ignorance but what the h*ll is a suive. I do like the large spoon with holes in though...!

Is that the film where the ghosts disapper every time one body is found? At the end only one is left.

Yep that's the one. There is still one crew member from LBG missing in the desert.

If you have a look at some of the various sites dedicated to this story, you'll also see that the wreckage is still held by the Libyan authorities and can be viewed on google earth. It does seem to get moved from time to time.

Almost bought a Leyland DROPS as I think they look awesome and would look especially so with a cvrt on the back..

However, I changed my mind and instead bought....

2 pairs of ear defenders (2.99 each !)

and a desert camo sun hat (4.99 and came in v useful)

Cheers

Has also reminded me that somewhere I have a book on Transport Command describing wartime crash in the desert and diary extracts from pilot who survived for a few days/ weeks...

Unbelievably poignant. RIP....

If I can find it I'll post some details.

OK I just got back but this isn't a show review thread so without going into too much detail, the standard of the vehicles was amazing (4 dragon wagons in convoy - how many shows have that ?!). If I'd gone as a member of the public it would have cost me £140 which would not have been worth it, but I didn't so it was OK.

Personally I agree with all the stuff about paying to enter shows but I'll probably go back next year with a vehicle or two, but will only make an exception for this one show..

Having got round most of it in the one day, seen some stuff in the arena, visited a few stalls and then had a five hour drive home I'm now going to nurse my aching feet and go to sleep..

http://www.ladybegood.com

Fascinating and poignant story - have a very vague recollection of seeing the film 'sole survivor' starring William Shatner when I was a kid, but hadn't realised it was loosely based on a true story. Would love to see it again...

Erm...ahem

At this point I have to confess I am still going (although there is no way I'm paying £140 for one night).

Way I figure it I simply have to go at least once....

And £140 for me and my 6 year old to camp for 1 night !

Yep people are indeed greedy but somebody will pay it.

I still enjoyed it although I know what you mean..

On my special edition Bat of Brit DVD there is a period documentary, made at sime time as film, which is really quite entertaining, esp the bit where apparently Adolf Galland tried to suggest to the filmmakers that maybe not all of the german aircrew were diehard nazis who deserved everything they got - he got pretty short shrift of course !

Hadn't realised until recently that the Buchons used in the film were Merlin engined - sort of Messerspit I suppose, or maybe Spitterschmitt...!

Also recently enjoyed Bridge Too Far after a long time away - now when it comes to inaccurate MV's that one is a treat...

As a post war owner I always thought of WW2 armour ownership as a slightly elitist activity - people like adrian have opened my eyes somewhat. I suspect that although the astronomical prices you see can be offputting there are probably quite a lot more vehicles that change hands between people who know each other for a lot less. Like a lot of niche activities I suspect it all gets a lot easier when you've actually got into it and know a few people.

I've finally collected enough bits and bobs to start swapping for the interesting bits I want and this is really satisfying.

Nice one...

Good to see another example of gods own military vehicle, the CVRT, in safe hands..!

Didn't know Dinky did one though, will have to keep an eye out for one.

Cheers

Really like the look of these , do they come up for sale often . what kind of price do they make

Blimey Dan no stopping you is there !!!

Don't come up that often but there are one or two out there, think I've certainly seen two for sale in last 2-3 years. From what I remember they were reasonable examples and asking prices were £9-£10K ish...

Cheers...

Apparently one trick in service was to chop the heads off the bolts and glue them in place on the decking, only leaving four actual bolts, one on each corner. Made it easier when you had the inevitable breakdown. Don't know how true this is, but I'm sure someone will comment....

Sorry Dan can't help with bolt sizes although have the illustrated parts list at home so will look tonight if Chris can't find...

Cheers

All seems a bit of a damp squib and I don't see much point putting these to auction with high reserves. At the end of the day I just don't think the market is that big. Remember this isn't really a private collection going under the hammer but a dealer trying to get rid of their stock all in one go. These vehicles have nearly all been for sale (in some cases for years) on the Select website so not sure where they thought all the buyers would suddenly appear from...

....hopefully getting new toy...but doesnt fit categories...so will tell you later:D

Looking at the list of current toys I'm not surprised it doesn't fit any categories !!!

Looking forward to hearing about it...

Cheers

Won't be bidding myself but very interested to know what stuff goes for - does anybody know if they are likely to publish prices after the event - I know Withams usually do this ?

Top price must surely go to Sexton. Not sure about some of the other stuff though esp seem to be lots of post war vehicles around at the moment. 3 or 4 years ago I'm sure the 432's and the like would have fetched a lot more..