Marmite!!

This Thursday 23rd Feb the Essex Area MVT meeting will be moving back to it's old meeting room at The Crown, Sandon, Nr. Chelmsford..

Yep & Still there...

If you want someone you can trust buy off these people http://www.sherwoodarmouryltd.com/pages/1/index.htm

Mick, you will just have to bring your Ferret to our show so we can see it :wink: Essex Armour & Softskin MV Group will be holding their Annual Military Vehicle Show at "Kelvedon Hatch (Essex) Secret Nuclear Bunker" on 20th & 21st May, camping from midday Friday 19th, on site catering within the Bunker, all vehicles welcome including Tracked. The Bunker is located on the A128 Ongar Road & is within easy reach of the M25 & M11 & A12 For a booking form or more details please email lee@ferret32ba77.fslife.co.uk

Thanks for that Richard, that's the problem with Beltring, too much to take in, I'll keep a lookout for it this year, if you here of one of these mounts for sale let me know.

Hi, I was at Duxford today & came across an unusual twin anti-aircraft Bren Mount, it had an MOD tag on it which said "British Motley Bren Mount" It rotates a full 360 & mounts with 4 bolts, anyone any idea what this would of been mounted on, I have been on the Duxford Forum & they are asking the same question.

look at this for at least 30 seconds then look at a flat surface http://home.mn.rr.com/t1camp1/Focus.swf

No problem will leave some there, will be trying to get to Firepower in the afternoon so may see you there..

Hi Saracenstump, are you down the Fort Sunday? we will be down there as we have a meet with Colin about putting a MV show on there this year, I'll have some booking forms with me for our show in May at the Nuclear Bunker if you want one.

But is it pointing the right way??? :?

Essex Armour & Softskins MV Group will be holding their Annual Military Vehicle Show at "Kelvedon Hatch (Essex) Secret Nuclear Bunker" on 20th & 21st May, camping from midday Friday 19th, on site catering within the Bunker, all vehicles welcome including Tracked. The Bunker is located on the A128 Ongar Road & is within easy reach of the M25 & M11 For a booking form or more details please email lee@ferret32ba77.fslife.co.uk

"well fuck me" guess what I tried to write

Ok done a bit of research & accourding to the Le Fédération Française des Véhicules d'Epoque. web site (The French Federation of the Vehicles of Time.) http://www.ffve.org/ it's true below is a the original text & translation from their site, the translation may be a bit ragged as I use a translation program. ****************** Many Collectors wondered about the late publication of the decree n°2005-1463 of November 23,2005 coming pursuant to the law n°2003-239 from the March 18,2003 called on “interior safety”. Indeed, six articles of this decree (bearing on the weapons) more particularly relate to the vehicles, ships and aircraft of military collection of origin, in particular article 8 which regards them as weaponries of 2nd category and subjects their owner to the very strict mode of the preliminary authorization for any acquisition or detention. However, the weapons of 2nd category are defined in the article L. 2331-1 of the Code of defense as being the “materials intended to carry or use with the combat the weapons with fire”. Article 2 of the decree n°95-589 of the May 6,1995 specifies that they are for the terrestrial vehicles the “tanks, armoured vehicles, like their shielding and their turrets”, but also, of the “not armoured vehicles equipped at station fixes or provide with a special device allowing the assembly or the transport of weapon”. Moreover, the decree of the November 20,1991 fixing the list of the weaponries and comparable additions under the heading “category D - Tanks and military vehicles terrestrial”, a a whole series of various vehicles such as: “ a) Tanks and other military vehicles armed or armoured b) Vehicles and specialized equipment of the genius c) Vehicles especially designed or modified to allow the installation of a weapon d) Vehicles especially designed or modified to allow the transport of the weapons or ammunition of categories A or B or the materials aimed to the subparagraph has above e) Amphibious vehicles especially designed or modified for a military use f) Mobile workshops of repair especially designed or modified for the maintenance of the military materials g) Parts, components and specific accessories of the materials aimed to the subparagraphs has, B, C, D and E above h) Tools specialized in manufacture of the materials aimed to the subparagraphs has, B, C, D and E above “ There is thus a risk that the concept of weaponry is extended to that of military material, like with that of vehicle of collection of military origin. However, this extension would be particularly detrimental to the citizens devoting itself to the leisure of the collection of this type of vehicles, ships or aircraft old. This is why, the French Federation of the Vehicles of Time (FFVE) and the F.F.M.V.C.G.F introduced proceedings for annulment of the decree n°2005-1463 in front of the Council of State and parallel to continue to act with determination so that the authorities recognize that they are true objects of collection at most raising of the 8th category “historical weapons and ammunition and of collection”. The Office of the FFVE **************************** Véhicules de Collection d'Origine Militaire La FFVE communique Rennes, le 4 février 2006 Beaucoup de Collectionneurs se sont interrogés sur la publication tardive du décret n°2005-1463 du 23 novembre 2005 venant en application de la loi n°2003-239 du 18 mars 2003 dite sur la " sécurité intérieure ". En effet, six articles de ce décret (portant sur les armes) concernent plus particulièrement les véhicules, navires et aéronefs de collection d'origine militaire, notamment l'article 8 qui les considère comme des matériels de guerre de 2e catégorie et soumet leur propriétaire au régime très strict de l'autorisation préalable pour toute acquisition ou détention. Or, les armes de 2e catégorie sont définies à l'article L. 2331-1 du Code de la défense comme étant les " matériels destinés à porter ou à utiliser au combat les armes à feu ". L'article 2 du décret n°95-589 du 6 mai 1995 précise qu'il s'agit pour les véhicules terrestres des " chars de combat, véhicules blindés, ainsi que leur blindage et leurs tourelles ", mais aussi, des " véhicules non blindés équipés à poste fixe ou munis d'un dispositif spécial permettant le montage ou le transport d'arme ". De plus, l'arrêté du 20 novembre 1991 fixant la liste des matériels de guerre et assimilés ajoute sous la rubrique " catégorie D - Chars de combat et véhicules militaires terrestres ", tout une série de véhicules divers tels que : " a) Chars de combat et autres véhicules militaires armés ou blindés ; b) Véhicules et équipements spécialisés du génie; c) Véhicules spécialement conçus ou modifiés pour permettre l'installation d'une arme; d) Véhicules spécialement conçus ou modifiés pour permettre le transport des armes ou munitions des catégories A ou B ou des matériels visés à l'alinéa a ci-dessus; e) Véhicules amphibies spécialement conçus ou modifiés pour un usage militaire; f) Ateliers mobiles de réparation spécialement conçus ou modifiés pour l'entretien des matériels militaires; g) Parties, composants et accessoires spécifiques des matériels visés aux alinéas a, b, c, d et e ci-dessus; h) Outillages spécialisés de fabrication des matériels visés aux alinéas a, b, c, d et e ci-dessus " Il existe donc un risque que la notion de matériel de guerre soit étendue à celle de matériel militaire, ainsi qu'à celle de véhicule de collection d'origine militaire. Or, cette extension serait particulièrement dommageable aux citoyens s'adonnant au loisir de la collection de ce type de véhicules, navires ou aéronefs anciens. C'est pourquoi, la Fédération Française des Véhicules d'Epoque (FFVE) et la F.F.M.V.C.G.F. ont introduit un recours en annulation du décret n°2005-1463 devant le Conseil d'Etat et continuent parallèlement à agir avec détermination pour que les pouvoirs publics reconnaissent qu'il s'agit de véritables objets de collection relevant tout au plus de la 8e catégorie " armes et munitions historiques et de collection ". Le Bureau de la FFVE

Export is not an option for the French, read below, from another forum>> This is indeed true and quite worrisome. I spent the week-end at the Paric Antic Car Show and talked with the President of FFVE, the French Federation of Historic Vehicles. This Federation consolidates the 950 historical vehicles (military and civilian) clubs, which represents 15000 collectors. The MVCG (Military Vehicle Collector Group) mentioned in your email is part of the FFVE. The FFVE President is in direct contact with French authorities to address this issue. Here is the story A recently enacted law (Nov 2005), called "loi sur la securite interieure" (i.e. interior security law) has organized weapons into 8 groups; from group 8 (collector and historical neutralized arms) to group 1 (missiles and modern military weapons). For reasons still unknown to us, all military vehicles (land, air, sea) are in group 2. This includes, as mentioned in your email, any land vehicle designed for military use (i.e. GMC, Dodge, Jeep, but also Hummers, ...). French law requires any one who wants to own a group 2 weapon (i.e. 38 or 45 hand guns, rifles,...) to file a demand with the Law Enforcement Authorities. Authorizations are very seldom granted and now most fire arms users join shooting range clubs where they find guns for rent. It is likely that obtaining an Authorization to own a half-track, but also a jeep, will be quite difficult. If authorization is not granted by the end of October 2006, the vehicle must be sold to someone who has the authorization, or turned down to French authorities for destruction. When the law was initially drafted, it stated that MV could not be used in public roads, except during special cerimonies, with police escort. Fortunately, the FFVE got this issue resolved. But the following requirements remained: - all vehicles must be kept locked in a secure garage (i.e. no parking in the street unattended) - extra measures must be taken to prevent anyone starting the vehicle (simple ignition key is not enough) This law is currently legally challenged by the FFVE, but that's what they have been doing for the last two years with little success. If no resolution is found within the next few months, all our vehicles could end up in museums (sale value close to nothing) or destroyed. The law limits export and import transaction, so selling to a foreign buyer is hardly an option. This is not good news and we all wait for a law reversal with anxiety. I will let you know more about it.

Hi Larry, do you have any more photos of the MOBAT??

The guy who found it was at Stoneleigh..

Richard, I've seen one recently where the fluid flywheel exploded, smashed the bell housing to bits, broke the nearside rear deive shaft somehow which smashed the crap out of the turret basket, looks like a bomb went off in there, must of scared the crap out of the crew, the commanders seat was also damaged, luck would have it I had a spare pair of Fox rear drive shafts for the guy, still got a front pair if anyone needs some.. Still looking for a Tacho for my Fox if anyone has one.

Especially when you overtake the Police doing 70 :lol:

I did the 75mph on the M25 & it still had a load more pull but I started getting in to traffic.. M25 from Fox Turret :lol:

My speedo in the Fox is marked up to 70, I was clocked by my mate following at 75mph & the speedo was just over the 70mph mark so can't be that far off, at lower speeds it's almost spot on. Some speedo's are only marked up to 50mph with two dots for 60 & 70, I think Chris M. has one of these..

We did ask the about tracked for this year, they said Nooooooooo.

I wouldn't call 6 tons that light, I have had mine up to 75mph & it handles well, I threw it around brands hatch last year with no problems, I don't think it's as top heavy as it's made out to be, nearly all the accidents were off road. My Fox at Brands 2005, back at Brands again this year :lol:

Just finished looking at them as you posted this, Beltring this year then??

& the Ferret, Fox, Saladin, Mobat....................................................I'll stop there..

Neil, I would forget Coalhouse Fort for storage as a Saladin/Saracen only just fits through the gate both being 2.54m wide the Stalwart if I'm correct is 2.62m, it would leave you with hardly any clearance & I think the people at the C.F.P. like their gates where they are. As far as I'm aware there's no vehicle storage at the Gunpowder Mills, I'm sure Rapier Rob will be able to answer this one though, over to you Rob..