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    Post War MVT - you are joking!

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    Posted

    To those that say the MVT or other clubs aren't biased I suggest looking at the North East MVT's Events gallery as an example, 16 events attended, count the very post war vehicles... they either have very few post war vehicles in their club in which case you have to ask the question why or they prefer photos of WW2 MV's...Biased?? anyone on here from N.E.MVT care to comment?

    they do have a link to HMVF though :wink:

     

    Events Gallery

    http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/nemvt/events.htm

     

    Member's Mv's

    http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/nemvt/members.htm

     

    Articles

    http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/nemvt/articles.htm

     

     

    Dartford Tunnel toll charges

    in Other Chatter

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    The tunnels & crossing is now run by a firm called Le Crossing, that's right the French have got hold of our roads..

     

    Le Crossing Ltd has been created as a vehicle for combining the complementary expertise of Jacobs, Ringway and Cofiroute with the skills and experience of the UK's Dartford Crossing workforce. Le Crossing is formed by the coming together of Ringway Jacobs Ltd, the road operating company formed from two of the leading service providers in the UK Local Government highways sector, and Cofiroute, the French toll roads company, to operate and maintain the Dartford River Crossing.

    The contract to collect the tolls, operate and maintain the twin Dartford Tunnels, the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge and the approach roads linking the M25 across the River Thames, was awarded to Le Crossing by the Highways Agency and is worth up to £75m.

     

    Dartford River Crossing

    In April 1987 Dartford River Crossing Ltd (DRC) signed a concession agreement to take over the operation of two Dartford Tunnels (including taking on debts accrued by Kent and Essex County Councils in the construction of the tunnels) and to build a new bridge (the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge). The term of the concession agreement was to last 20 years or until all debts had been repaid, whichever was the earliest. The legislation and the concession agreement allowed for DRC to charge tolls to refund the DRC's aggregate costs in building the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge and operating and maintaining the bridge and the two tunnels. At the end of the concession the Crossing would transfer back to the Secretary of State for Transport.

     

    The debt was repaid within 14 years and the Crossing was formally transferred back to the Secretary of State on 1 April 2002. Since that date and until 31 March 2003, DRC operated the Crossing as managing agents of the Secretary of State.

     

    On 1 April 2003 new managing agents, Le Crossing Company Ltd, were appointed after a competitive tender exercise.

     

    With the discharging of debt, the powers to charge a toll at the Crossing expired on 31 March 2003. However, prior to the expiry of these powers, the Government commissioned consultants to investigate the effect that removing charging at the crossing would have on traffic levels. This research, published in August 2001, suggested that use of the Crossing would grow more rapidly if there were no charge to use the Crossing, which could have an adverse impact on the local community and users of the Crossing. The increased use at the Crossing could result in longer journey times and discomfort for users while also possibly adding to air pollution. These factors could have a detrimental effect on health, the economy and the environment.

     

    As such, in summer 2001 the Highways Agency carried out a public consultation on the proposal to introduce a charging scheme under the Transport Act 2000 (the 2000 Act) at the Dartford Crossing. The consultation included seeking views on the proposed charging structure. Following this consultation it was decided to implement the charging scheme. The charging scheme came into force on 1 April 2003.

     

    The 2000 Act requires that the net income generated by the charging scheme be spent on transport policies for a minimum of 10 years.

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

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    It is appalling that anyone can be so narrow minded and blinkered to put the post war MV's at the back or in a different field. Are these people really MVT people, or are they the local agricultural show/village fete organisers. Such behaviour is terrible but i am concerned that you direct this at the MVT as a whole, when there may be just a few people who are MVT members doing this.

     

    Tim (too)

     

     

    It was an MVT event & a area committee member who decided where the vehicles went... I don't think the MVT or any other club should been seen promoting/hosting or putting their name to an event that discriminates between vehicle's, these clubs are fore the benefit of all members what ever their MV..

     

    Veterans Parade's, why exclude post WW2 MV's :? there are veterans from other conflicts too that take part in these parades, we are invited take part in RBL parades & other WW2 dedications with our post WW2 MV's & are always made welcome..

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    I'm sorry Jack, but you may have started to realise there are an awful lot of quite bitter post war MV owners out there, and every year the number of events we can attend goes down!

     

     

    I think Jack does realise that, it was Jack that split the original thread as he would like some answers to this problem too..

     

    Hi Lee.

     

    Hope all is well!

     

    Just to let you know that I have moved your reply about Post War MVT to other chatter as it is a good debate that needs to happen as I have a lot of unanswered questions on that point too!

     

    Take care.

     

    Jack.

     

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

     

    As for the post war/ww2 debate I don't think any shows should turn away people who make the effort to put petrol in a vehicle and turn up. Unfortunatley most of the shows these days are 1940s themed, and I have known people to be turned away, or put in a seperate field away from everyone else after driving for hours in something post war.

    Chris

     

     

     

    At least we drive ours to shows Chris, you see many Jeeps on trailers being taken to shows, Why?? whats the point in having these MV's if you don't drive them?

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    That said and as I have stated on the forum else where that everytime I have attended a show with Hardy Ferret I don't get a look in......everyone walks past my Jimmy heading straight for Jerrys Ferret!

     

     

    That's a problem with Armour Jack, be it WW2 or Post was, big or small they do tend to be kid magnets usually with parents in tow.. or was the parents dragging the kids..:-)

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    I think that you are bashing the MVT over the calender which they have

    no control over it is the area which does it for the year that deceides

    what goes in to the calender not the MVT hirearchy just my 2 penny worth

    Commander

     

     

    We didn't even mention their WW2 calenders.. thanks for reminding us, I was under the impression that it was done at national level..

     

    It doesn't seem to matter if it's at National or Local level, the MVT in general seem to have a problem catering for post war owners, they seem to forget us when putting on these shows billed as WW2 vehicles only.. When was the last time you saw one of there shows advertised as post war only :?

     

    Our local MVT has got better over the last year after a group of us put this point across, it use to be a them & us situation... they actualy talk to us now..

     

    Still waiting to see if anyone from the MVT will seak up, we know they watch this Forum

    Post War MVT - you are joking!

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    Yes that is a good point Lee and no to sure of the answer to that one. Maybe it is because post war had very little know effect on our country - go abroad and you may have more luck. WW2 as we all know has had a long lasting physical effect on this country and will continue to do so.

     

    Perhaps the Cold/post war guys need to start an event that caters for there pleasures - I would certainly attend as an MoP. Has this ever been tried?

     

     

    Jack,

     

    I don't think that would be the answer either, we put on a show this year at Kelvedon Secret Nuclear Bunker, it was featured in MMI "Ice Cold in Essex" it was billed as a Cold War show but was open to everyone.

     

    A lot of groups these days have a mixture of WW2 & post war MV's so I think that the organizers should bear this in mind.

     

    This event is going under the banner of Suffolk MVT so how can they tell their members with post war MV's they are not welcome??

     

     

    As for the MVT Xmas card, why can't it be all post war MV's this year for a change?? anyone from the MVT care to coment??

     

    White Poppies...

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    So, White Poppies, are they right or wrong? Can we promote world peace whilst being involved with machines of war?

     

    Do we have moral duty to wear them along side red poppies? Is that bringing politics into it?

     

     

    Interested in your thoughts.

     

     

    I don't think it matters what you wear as long as you show respect & remember..

     

    & this is what it's all about, my grandad was an Ambulance Driver/Medic with the 8th Army, in his photo collection he has lots of funerals & graves, he use to take these photos so that he could try to pass copies of them on to their families when he got home to show them that their loved ones had a proper burial, these were taken in North Africa.

     

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    R.I.P.

    White Poppies...

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    Why should the government be allowed to change another deep rooted, time honoured tradition, everyone knows and respects the idea behind a red poppy symbol and what the people behind it do for our service men and women, it should not happen

     

     

    Are the Goverment trying to change them??

    White Poppies...

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    A bit of history on the White Poppy..

     

    http://www.ppu.org.uk/remember/index1.html

     

     

    The white poppy was conceived by the Women’s Co-operative Guild in 1933. Members of the Guild were themselves the wives, mothers, sisters and lovers of men who had died and been injured in World War One. They were only too well aware of the likelihood of another war, and chose this symbol for peace ‘as a pledge to Peace that war must not happen again’. The PPU joined with the Guild and later took over the distribution as Europe once again drifted to war.
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