draganm

hmmm? never heard of a "scuttle dash" before, anyone know what that is? Love the velvet and pile carpet too. I assume a 1-man hood simple means a hood with a hinge? these cars are pretty amazing to see though, a friend has a 1924 willy's coupe here and it looks like a horse-drawn wagon that someone unhitched the horses from and dropped in a crude 4 cylinder engine. Wooden spoked wheels : )

Armstrong-Whitworth torpedo tourer, wow, coolest name EVER ! :laugh: seems like the place to start would be the surviving Munro's, they probably have pics of the major and the car as well.

I guess it's the same machine, owner is reported to be one Klaus-Dieter F. which appears to be Klaus-Dieter Flick. Here's a petition asking the prosecutor to return his stuff and fix all the damage they did to the road and his cellar. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.change.org/p/staatsanwaltschaft-kiel-r%25C3%25BCckgabe-des-beschlagnahmten-milit%25C3%25A4rger%25C3%25A4tes-heikendorf&usg=ALkJrhgaYjNmlb3pJhj0xWuoeu4DsdY-xg

can anyone confirm if the one that's been seized is the so-called "Flick Panther"? It does not appear to be the same machine to me? No commanders Cupola in this old photo, and the seized one appears to be missing the gun lock

opening the vehicle collection to the world is one thing, opening up the rest of it including the Hitler-memorabilia is risky. Admitting to not only owning but sleeping in Hitlers bed is asking for the kind of attention a collector like this never wants or needs. I wish him luck.

even if they're original (according to his lawyer, the horses are repro's), they were still sold by the GDR before it's collapse, not stolen. second, even if the statues are somehow deemed illegal, does that give them the right to randomly size anything else they see of value? Reminds me of the RICO laws here, if the police stop you while driving, and find a large amount of cash, they can seize your money (basically " arrest" your money), without arresting you or even accusing you of a crime. You then have to go to Court and prove you didn't get the money from selling drugs. This is opposite of how the law is written, which is that you are innocent until proven guilty. In other words the government has to prove you did something wrong, not your responsibility to prove you did not.

The exhaust look like reproductions, can anyone confirm? A or G model? looks like they siezed his flak 88 too ,

To me, this is THEFT https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Sammler-parkt-Panzer-im-Keller-article15420231.html&usg=ALkJrhikjXUR47XBaQ0mKJqfsFfcCl5ZBA

Hard to imagine it's the same machine. There's pics of the Surrey Yard machine in "after the battle magazine". Looks like a wreck. That would conflict with reports of this one being driven around the town in 1978 http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548534

Holy Crap, they found a complete PANTHER in some 70 year old guys basement :wow: I remember the original pre-story to this though, some tax collectors raided an elderly guys apartment and found stolen WW2 art, some looted from museum and people who were sent to Concentration camps. Police wound up seizing the collection. That I can understand to some extent, assuming the premise for the original intrusion into someones private home was legal in the first place. From what I can tell from the Google translation, that raid led to this "discovery" . This second story though is really screwed up though. This guy has had this vehicle sine the early 70's, and he bought it legally in the UK and imported in the 70's. He claims it's all demilitarized and registered. The mayor of the town said he remembers this guy driving the thing around in a huge blizzard of 1978. now the dam government sends in the army and seizes his private property? Wow, that is really ****ed up. Here in the US you still need a legal court order to conduct a raid and size private property, at least for now. As a complete, original, un-restored Panther it's worth millions of $. All the tools and attachments are still on it, it will be interesting to see how much of that gets looted while in the possession of the army in some storage depot. I hope he gets it back, and sues the government for all the trouble too. BTW, is this one listed on the Shadock PDF's?

ahhh, I gotcha, say no more. Well hopefully that stuff pops up again some day down the road in restored condition.

so basically, just retracing the route of the NATO invasion force, in reverse and, If I remember correctly, ready to pay a bribe at a moments notice. Carton of good western cigarettes being the starting point. I think a lot was cut up as part of the Dayton accords, and what's left is typically parked in some museum or army barracks / depot. Have you ever had a chance to stop by and see this collection? http://s106.photobucket.com/user/nammeci/library/Muzej%20Kozara?sort=3&page=1 or this one http://s106.photobucket.com/user/nammeci/library/Muzej%20Manjaca?sort=3&page=1 Last I heard the stuff from Kozara war memorial museum was allegedly been moved and the only thing at the museum entrance is a Grayhound and piece of artillery. The lady who answers there e-mails was elusive about where the rest went. Possibly stored at a military barracks.

right , all one big happy Euro family now, just like Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1991. you'll have to recover that one and the cut it up with a torch

It's hard not to see this as one last parting shot from the German's, ...................... 70 years after the fall of Berlin :laugh: the good news is that there is still tons of stuff out there, and hopefully in the hands of people who want to make money and not just melt down metal.

What Republic did you go thru, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia? Bosnia has a very large cache of Hellcats, Shermans, and even some German stuff. How difficult was it to deal with the government red-tape there? When we left the old Yugoslavia anything to do with government officials involved getting there at the crack of dawn, waiting in a lobby all day, and then getting yelled at around 5PM by a hostile person who was annoyed by your very presence. Of course being a foreigner automatically gave you preferential treatment, at least before the NATO bombing, not sure about now. :undecided: there's a huge debate about this alleged T55 sale to Pakistan on the Pak defense forum, most are speculating it's destined for the western frontier, Afghan army, and anti-Talib ops. At any rate, if it's true it's a huge plus for both the Serbian armed forces and the country's defense industry.

It looks more like complete disrespect and lack of consideration for every other person out there trying to preserve history IMO . All it would have taken is a few phone calls on their part "we don't want em, screw everyone else" :-( ? hear, hear, that was a great effort.

these appear to have been all sold, headed to Pakistan after being upgraded to this or this

I blame hollywood, if you watch all the crap they made it was like everyone just sat around and waited to be liberated by US troops. Saw an article yesterday that something like only 13% of people in Europe knew the Russians even fought in WW2, despite bearing the brunt of the fighting and dying. On the flip side though, Bristish AFV's being so undervalued just means they're a great investment at this time. Some day anything from WW2 will be worth a lot

call him now , tell him to contact the yard. It might not be too late, even if one chassis is saved it's better than zero :-( yeah that's really warped. On one side, a group of dedicated craftsmen trying to preserve artifacts from the most important Historical even of our time, one that shaped the world we live in. On the other side, a "Marketing Director" who's probably never picked up a tool in his life , deciding it's too much bother to save that old stuff.

Is there a museum involved? That's a good idea though,a good place ot get started. I would call the the Panzer Museum in Munster and ask for their help. Do they even have a Churchill on display? Tell them they need a exhibit showing what their Tigers were shooting at during the war. Probably one of the yard guys, just looking out for himself and to not get fired for making deals by going around the yard manager. Did you try talking directly to the yard manager or just the underlings?

it's British equipment in a German scrap yard, with government regulations involved requiring destruction, and it seems we've all concluded that scrap-yard men all share the same Neanderthal gene pool , as in impossible to reason or bargain with. It was a good effort on your part but the deck was seriously stacked against you. post war Conqueror? If so that's a pretty rare piece of kit too, no?

sorry to hear your efforts were for naught. Does remind me of the wrecking yard dealers I used to deal with when I restored classic cars. A cantankerous, uncooperative, bunch of sour jack-asses who's business model had nothing to do with preservation or making money. They were Kings of their own little ****-pile and they were bent on making sure you knew it too. Real Shame for the Mk2, WW2 vintage and it still has the Turret too.:embarrassed: They couldn't at least let than one go out of the 5? A-holes.

come to think of it I've seen that here was well. There was one auction lot on government liquidation that was for half a million pounds of tank tracks, maybe M60 or Abram's, came with the Stipulation that it had to be cut up and verified. In that case though it was stuff they don't want re-sold to conflict zones that aren't pre-approved by Washington. Weird to see it on antique steel. so now it's treasure hunt, SWEET A 12 pack of good Beer might go a long way to lubing the wheels of commerce too Curious though, how do you guys get an AFV from Germany to UK? Is it just as straight forward as strapping it to a flat-bed rail-car and sending it thru the Chunnel?

cutting up a 70 year old bridge laying machine for "De-militarization" rules is insane , and isn't the crap dealer being a little unrealistic at £9k each? if you figure 60,000 pounds of steel at scrap value of 3 cents a pound, that's less than 2K Where does the 9K from from? Anyway, good luck with the rescue,

depending on how much hassle you're prepared to deal with, the Serbian ministry of Defense is selling a a huge lot of surplus 1950's era vehicles. Acting Assistant Minister for Budget and Finances Radmila Jagodic tel: +381 11 30 06 093 radmila.jagodic@mod.gov.rs