BumpCity Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 As requested here are some photo's of the Size 2 Cookson and Clegg Ltd manufactured liner Size 2, dating to approximately 1972, that accompanied the first type DPM Parka. Also pictured is the separate face/throat piece that attached to the hood side by two press studs. Note that the receiving studs were only on one side of the hood so there was no left or right handed option! Obviously this design feature was dropped for the mass production model. Discussion of the parka itself already exists on here so I won't double up on that. But here is proof concrete that there was a dedicated liner produced, manufactured by the same company and with the same contract number. The liner itself is very much as the metric sized ones. Velcro attachments in the same places including the cuffs, three velcro fasteners, mesh under arm vents, same cut, same materials. The face/throat piece has no label or markings. Note the brown trims, visible on earlier liners. The face/throat piece would have added a nice bit of wind cover on sentry duty but seems a strangely 'lluxurious' design idea, and it is no surprise that it did not go on to be adopted. I would be interested to know if anybody else owns one, or has seen them before, as I had not before I acquired this one. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumpCity Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 And here are the two labels together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Huge thanks for this info and images Andrew !!:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Never seen those face covers before in Service. They certainly would have been welcome on Cold November & December Field Exercises in B.A.O.R! :-X I guess one of the reasons they were not adopted for production. Was because the green tubed 'Neck Warmer', which was a VERY versatile item of clothing. Was introduced, & made the face piece redundant? Today, most Troops use a Green & Black Shemag as personal choice. I would still plump for a 'tube' in my kit over there in Germany. To supplement my own clothing circumstances in the Field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Not sure about the introduction date for the 1st model DPM parka......but Soldier Magazine carried a news update on new kit in their April 1974 edition from SCRDE that mentioned a new parka being approved for service, replacing the older green version.....I would suspect that SCRDE development and trials of the new item would have commenced a few years earlier so around 1970-71 would be a good estimate along with a lot of other new kit........ There was a note however that existing stocks of the old green parka would continue to be issued and used until worn out rather than the new DPM garment......and with the older green parka being virtually indestructible it is not surprising that many garments remained in use well into the 1980s....... I don't think that the early DPM parka was a trial issue only......none of the few surviving garments display any SCRDE trial markings or labels........no, I suspect that this early version of the parka was the first production pattern issued from the mid-1970s......when the pattern was revised to the second, more common version still seen today and used in the Falklands conflict, is uncertain.......but I reckon this was late-1970s.....seems that sufficient stocks of the green parka remained in use during the 1970s to render issue of the DPM garment limited, hence so few being around today.......:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11rjkg Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I've attached some photographs of my early DPM parka, which I purchased as Army surplus in about 1980 in order to try and fend off the worst of the cold whilst a CVR (W) Fox crewman with the TA. The totally inadequate kit issue of the time prompted most serving TA crewmen (I believe regulars too) to make private purchases, and I recall that Bundeswehr parkas; Barbour jackets and cut down old greatcoats were all popular items. Anyway, returning to the parka, it was a great piece of kit for AFV crewmen and was made of a windproof type material which, unusually, was printed with a very light coloured DPM reminiscent of the old tropical DPM kit. The attached photographs clearly show this print colouring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumpCity Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 I've attached some photographs of my early DPM parka, which I purchased as Army surplus in about 1980 in order to try and fend off the worst of the cold whilst a CVR (W) Fox crewman with the TA. The totally inadequate kit issue of the time prompted most serving TA crewmen (I believe regulars too) to make private purchases, and I recall that Bundeswehr parkas; Barbour jackets and cut down old greatcoats were all popular items.Anyway, returning to the parka, it was a great piece of kit for AFV crewmen and was made of a windproof type material which, unusually, was printed with a very light coloured DPM reminiscent of the old tropical DPM kit. The attached photographs clearly show this print colouring. Interesting to see again that the parka is the same maker and contract. So far I have never seen a different one and this furthers my suspicion that this was the only run of them (unless anyone has a variant?). Did it come with that early 80's liner? No sign of the original liner? This parka was definitely a superior build and design quality to the heavy cotton one that became issue. Apart from the noisy material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11rjkg Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Interesting to see again that the parka is the same maker and contract. So far I have never seen a different one and this furthers my suspicion that this was the only run of them (unless anyone has a variant?). Did it come with that early 80's liner? No sign of the original liner? This parka was definitely a superior build and design quality to the heavy cotton one that became issue. Apart from the noisy material. Yes, the liner shown came with the parka. The parka fabric was /is of the windproof type and was great for drying quickly after getting wet (with the exception of the quilted hood). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322015151708?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT If anybody is looking for an early Parka with later liner Edited February 29, 2016 by Scotch Harry Wrong link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falklands1982 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Issue-DPM-Issue-Tropical-Jungle-Combat-Trousers-Airborne-XLarge-PARA-SAS-/272124479103?hash=item3f5be2067f:g:77oAAOSwJb9Wtlk- If anybody is looking for an early Parka with later liner Either you posted it in the wrong thread/facebook post, also I wouldn't take a gamble on a supposed 35" waist as I have had a pair before and could not get them above my thighs and I'm a 34" waist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Either you posted it in the wrong thread/facebook post, also I wouldn't take a gamble on a supposed 35" waist as I have had a pair before and could not get them above my thighs and I'm a 34" waist Wrong link,now changed to the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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