Enfield1940 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'm slightly puzzled about the stitched on cloth strips with 'C' hooks on the back of the above. In the Howlett book on modern webbing, it states that they connect to the e-tool case and allow more space for pouches on the belt. How does that work exactly? I have a trials e-tool case pouch, but that just loops over the belt. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 It's a good question........the "official" paperwork would probably explain this......but possessing both trial items, I can only think that it's to provide a variation in attachment methods............??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 Well I may have figured out the mystery of attaching the entrenching tool case pouch. There's just enough room between the 'C' hooks of the yoke to suspend it over the belt by using the 'dropped' pouch height option. I still can't figure out how you would attach an entrenching tool case to the cloth strips with 'C' hooks on the belt, although I can see how you'd put a utility pouch on them. PS. Many thanks to HeathJr (of this parish) for supplying the yoke. Nice doing business with you:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Resurrecting an old thread... It appears there are two variations of the e-tool carrier: one has loops on the rear through which the tabs with C hooks on the belt thread through and one doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallschirmwomble Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There are THREE things that have upset me over this thread: What I thought - for years - were 2x Utility Pouches on the set are actually a Utility Pouch and a Waterbottle Pouch. I need to check exactly what I have and hope that I've not got rid of the wrong "duplicate" pouches. There is another E-Tool Pouch to get (the one without the belt loops). A trials trials bit of kit! All these years of anticipation over the flappy C Hook thing on the belt and it's an anticlimax. Worse, I should have worked it out for myself. I am most displeased with myself. (and the plain E Tool Pouch) :banghead: But I am MOST grateful for the explanation, :thanx: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 The utility and water bottle pouches are almost identical except that the utility has an additional semicircular flap at the top to which the yoke connection loops are stitched. Contact the eBay seller 'field-craft' as both of the above e-tool pouches came from him and apparently he has a large quantity of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Four years later... I have finally tracked down an example of the highly elusive right hand utility pouch. If you collect 1985 trials PLCE, you've probably noticed that most of them are left hand ones. After some pondering, I have come up with a theory to explain this: Presumably the standard layout was two magazine pouches at the front and one utility pouch left rear and one water bottle pouch right rear. However, you might have a need to have a more versatile utility pouch at the front (and perhaps fewer magazines), so move the utility pouch to the front and - as it is worn on the left- equip it with left hand yoke attachment loops. Presumably there were rarer occasions where you might need two utility pouches at the front, so you would need one with right hand yoke attachment loops. There was less need for these = fewer were made. Water bottle pouches were never worn at the front, so they don't need yoke attachment loops. Hopefully the above ramblings make some sort of sense... I note the later 1990 PLCE utility pouches also had yoke attachment loops, but they weren't 'handed'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Some good info on this post.............anyone seen these two variants of the magazine pouches ? The lids differ..........one set having "corners", the other simple plain flaps................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield1940 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Interesting. I didn’t realise there were variations of the ammo pouches. I think all the ones that have passed through my hands have had the ‘uncornered’ flaps. Perhaps the ones with corners are a later variation as they are closer to the 1990 issue ones? PS. Since taking the pics above in 2014 I have improved the set with a correct water bottle pouch. That just leaves the respirator haversack and the bergan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward53 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) These two pouches came to me as a pair on an otherwise standard 90 pattern set. The LH pouch differs from 90 patt in having a gate buckle in place of the front D ring and is presumably a trials piece. The RH pouch has square flap corners as above. (While I'm here, if anyone has a spare trials utility pouch in very good condition....LH or RH, I don't care!) Edited March 29, 2018 by Edward53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdbikemad Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The plot thickens........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Harry Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 8:25 PM, Enfield1940 said: Interesting. I didn’t realise there were variations of the ammo pouches. I think all the ones that have passed through my hands have had the ‘uncornered’ flaps. Perhaps the ones with corners are a later variation as they are closer to the 1990 issue ones? PS. Since taking the pics above in 2014 I have improved the set with a correct water bottle pouch. That just leaves the respirator haversack and the bergan. I have a couple of Bergens so one could possibly go. Would come with the correct upside down side pouches but as with 99.9% of the ones you see,the pop studded waist belt is missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webkitlover Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I do seem to remember that a utility pouch, I never got issued PLCE but i remember it was talked about, the right "utility ammo pouch" was an option (i think, this is going back some years) it was for CO's or mechanics, basically so they could carry some different issue kit or tools, more suited to their role. it would also allow a different way to carrying of smoke, flares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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