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Brooky
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"Interesting comments, Tony. I seem to remember there are new regulations, or at least new interpretations, laid down which makes the requirements for proof of age very tight - something about it having to come from manufacturers' original records, if I remember right, though I can't find the reference now."
All very well but how many manufacturers' original records exist for World War two vehicles - even Chrysler suggest alternative sources for WW2 Dodges and as for German or Russian vehicles? For those records that do exist then the internet is often the best solution as in many cases enthusiasts have compiled sensible data bases from these i.e jeep, GMC, Dodge. Hopefully now DVLA have seen the light and will accept our sources...as I said to them it is not much point nominating various clubs as authorities on their particular vehicles and then ignoring our advice/decisions regarding age of the vehicle.
Exactly the same conversation I had with them as well!!
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Roughly how long does it currently take the MVT to process verification requests ?
When I was doing it we used to quote up to around 3 months start to finish
Having said that they were usually completed quicker than that
The biggest issue is that the service relies on volunteers both as verification officer and the inspectors
As the MVT covers a large area actually finding someone reliable to perform the inspection can (could!) be the biggest hurdle
There is also a fair amount of "backroom" work to each application recording the application, making a file of evidence and so on as well as issuing the dating letter
All this is vital to prove to the DVLA that there are robust processes in place
Sorry if thats not the answer you were looking for!!!
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I am the Verification Officer for IMPS and the system at the moment is a nightmare. Certainly get a NOVA no matter what, HMRC are quite used to the fact of issuing them for our type of vehicle just to satisfy DVLA.
Since late last year DVLA decided that they needed a source for our dating information...no problem as we always quoted book references and sometime internet sources (not Wikipedia) where there were no paper references easily available. Suddenly DVLA decided that sources from books or the internet were not satisfactory (even though they tell everybody to use the internet to access government information)...also we used sequential dating, i.e. if a make of vehicle , chassis number 12345 to 12445 was built in 1942, then 12400 would have been built in 1942 as well. With the help of the Federation of Historic British Vehicle Clubs there was a great deal of correspondence pointing out that without this type of reference there could be no means of dating a vehicle . We had applications returned where we used the vehicle manual which quoted manufacturing dates, official Russian motoring organisations as well as other well recognised sources. In one case the applicant even involved his local MP (his three times rejected application was passed immediately using the same information!!).
Incidentally, I have never been asked to provide a country of manufacture on our verification letters but it is a good point so I will include it in future.
Hopefully we have got matters sorted now and DVLA accept that we are not a one vehicle group of people and that it would be impossible to hold source data on every type of ex-military vehicle.
Finally, to add to the confusion, I found out the other day that one IMPS member recently registered a Ferret just using a letter from MOD Disposals that stated the date that the vehicle entered service - not the manufacture date. Imagine if that vehicle was manufactured in 1959 but only entered service in 1960 - would it need an MOT or not?
It was so much better in the old days with local licensing offices who sent out somebody to confirm that the vehicle was what was stated on the verification letter. Progress or what?
Tony
Interesting comments regarding source material
This came in towards the end of my tenure and as you say I used book references for vehicles that there were no records (I entered into a lot of correspondance with the DVLA regarding this evidence) because as you say military vehicles are not "one size fits all" as with a single make club.
The DVLA were happy with this
I think the reason for the hurdles are that the DVLA are putting in the way are trying to make sure that vehicles are dated correctly and that certain of the privelages of running older vehicles (MOT and Tax exemption) are not abused by certain members of the public.
However noble this may be though it certainly doesnt make the verification job any easier!!
I wonder if the members of clubs realise the hassle the verifiction officers have to go through!!
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Just had a look at the thread mentioned above
The posts were from 2013 when the system had just been introduced and the local DVLA offices were still open
A couple of thoughts
Firstly the local offices and staff were not always up to date with the latest directives from Swansea and some of the confusion may have been due to dealing with different people. (When I tried to amend the date of manufacture of my S1 Land Rover the staff in my local office had not seen the communication sent to the clubs )
Secondly I suppose whoever put the process together never thought that there would be old non registered vehicles still lurking about in the UK waiting to be registered!
I know I was asked by Swansea to confirm the country of origin of a Leyland Martian so it could be registered, hence why I always noted the country of manufacture on the dating letter
Perhaps somebody on here has up to date info on registering an older UK vehicle and how the process works now it is all based in Swansea
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I would go for the biggest capacity both in amp hours and cranking amps that will fit in the battery box!!
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The NOVA procedure applies to ANY vehicle registration application to DVLA that has no ID or paperwork barn find even if its of UK origin and never left the country, they are treated the same as an import.
Read the thread on here of the long story of the trouble RMS had trying to register a Bedford OX
Can you post a link to that?
In my experience no notification was needed hence the request for country of origin
I may be wrong though as generally after I had issued a dating letter there was little feedback
I can though probably remember at least half a dozen non registered British vehicles that were registered OK
Rules may have changed though since I retired from the post at the back end of last year.
I suppose another form to fill in is a little inconvenient but a small price to pay to get your vehicle on the road
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NOVA only for non-UK vehicles though, Brooky? Not applicable if the trucks are, say, Bedfords or Commers?
Yes, should have clarified that
DVLA did ask the MVT to include on the verification letter the country of origin
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The NOVA declaration is crucial
If you import a vehicle you have 14 days to do it
As said above if the vehicle has been in the UK for a time then still make the declaration
This then gives the DVLA the green light to register the vehicle
If in doubt talk to the relevant verification officer (or drop me a pm................I was the MVT Verification officer for three years!!)
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I have a couple of old trucks that I am pretty certain will have no marker on any database, shared or not. This is where I lose the plot - how can I then register a vehicle for which I have a chassis number but for which no records or database survives, i.e. no marker?
Or have I totally misinterpreted your post? :blush:
The DVLA will check with the HMRC that a declaration under NOVA has been made for that particular vehicle/chassis number
When the declaration is made HMRC place that number on the shared database (hence my expression "marker")
If the declaration has been made the DVLA carry on, if not they kick the application back to the applicant
Sorry for the confusion
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Mainly as above
In my experience a NOVA declaration can be made even if the vehicle has been here for years. There will be no duty to pay but there will be a marker on a shared database against the chassis number that the DVLA will need to register the vehicle
No marker no registration
You will need a form v55/5 from the DVLA for the first registration, these have to be ordered from the DVLA and can take some time to be delivered
(They cant be downloaded as they a 3 part no carbon required form)
You will need a dating letter from a club who is recognised by the DVLA as having expertise in that type of vehicle (there is a downloadable list on the DVLA website) The clubs are as said the MVT, I beleive IMPS and the Norfolk Military Vehicle group are also listed
The club will arrange an inspection (tio verify chassis number make and so on) and then if all is OK will issue a dating letter that you will send to the DVLA (along with some other documentation and the V55/5,) to get the vehicle registered
As has been said if the vehicle is pre 1960 then it will be exempt MOT
Note NO MOT is required at first registration................the vehicle is exempt
If the vehicle has previously been registered (on release from the services) but you dont have a V5 then the process can become a little more difficult
First thin to do is to run a vehicle enquiry (DVLA website) to see whether the original registration number was transferred onto the central database, if it was then happy days!! All you need to do then is apply for a new V5
If not then it is the V765 scheme
This means you have to complete a V765 (this time downloadable from the DVLA) and provide evidence to the club that the registration number claimed is the number for the vehicle
This evidence is quite strict and the thing you are looking for will be an extract from the original county registration ledger, old MOTs and such like. The club will then countersign the V765 and forward it to the DVLA
Hope that helps!!
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Did you get my pm??
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This post that I've copied from the Austin Seven Friends forum will hopefully be helpful.
Re: Beware when building A7 specials!
On careful reading of the DVLA website the crucial form is V627/1
which can be found at:-https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/278783/V627X1_270913.pdf
It lists the major components they want answers for and states:
"Chassis/bodyshell" - top of the column has the words "delete as appropriate".
Surely in our case the chassis and its date and number are required and the word bodyshell is deleted.
You also need all the information to register a new vehicle and an inspection report from your A7 club DVLA representative.
Newer monocoque vehicles would delete chassis and quote body id.
He is not building a special
The verification process will confirm the chassis number the make and the date of manufacture
The DVLA require that the vehicle is reasonably complete and represents the vehicle it purports to be
If all this is OK a dating letter will be issued and will be submitted along with a V55/5 form for first registration
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Well we can all joke about this but because it is shown incapable of driving up that mound there is very likely a genuine reason why it did not.
Agreed, probably driver training issue, too higher gear, low box not engaged etc etc................
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Great video......................well done!!!
Could be really really really picky and say the E27N Fordson with a P6 engine wasnt introduced until 1948
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Drop me a pm
I am sure I have something
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£12.99 for blue ray with a bonus disc about making the film as well
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They were tested in Lowther Park
They reckon you could read a newspaper at night in Penrith as the light was so powerful!!
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Think the vehicle FWD SUCOE being a Medium Artillery Tractor would be part of Army Group Royal Artillery 21st Army Group
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Fine example of a de-mobbed FWD su-coe. Can any one ID the unit badge on front of cab?
21st Army Group NW Europe 1944
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Fat
in MV Chatter
Did this extraordinary creation start life as a FAT or similar?http://www.dvca.co.uk/vehicles-for-auction-view.php?classic-cars=Morris-Commercial-Recover-Lorry3990
Yes, either FAT or a C8
bit of work there for someone!!
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Some interesting comments
During my time as verification officer for the MVT the DVLA seemed fairly prompt
This does of course assume that all documentation is in order
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Car Medium 4x4 Amhpibious Trippel SG6/41
1940's and 50's US army trucks
in Heads Up: For Sale!
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Probably think you were mad.................?that's 1960 -70's or thereabouts