wally dugan

HI

BMC gave up on the idea of selling the MOKE to the military in about 1963 but sold the moke in the civillian market up to

1968 in which time they became an icon of the swinging 60s the thing to be seen in around LONDON after 1968 mokes

were built in AUSTRALIA also very few of the military ones were made

REGARDS WALLY

SORRY THING POSTED before l finished the list

SIR MILES THOMAS NUFFIELD GROUP

MR R ROOTES OF ROOTES GROUP

MR T SKIPPER OF DENNIS MOTORS LTD

MR A A LAIRDET OF LEYLAND MOTORS LTD

no one from AUSTIN l know other manufactures where not present date of meeting 14/12/1945 file number GS[W] 2291

PART ONE OF TWO

REGARDS WALLY

HI

l have just been to a reunion with my old boss and l told him about the missing files he has given me abox of files

and i have come across one of the missing files its part one of two files in this file it tell us who attened the meeting

about a range of post war engines

the chairman SIR GEOFFREY BURTON MINISTRY OF SUPPLY

SIR CHARLES BARLETT VAUXHAULL MOTORS

HI GRAHAM

Yes l think we may have met l would be a technical officer at that time if you do not mind l will answer your questions

one at a time and not in order last first The question of REG numbers BT was a number used on trails vehicles not generally

issued to in service vehicles CHERTSEY had its own issue of numbers both civillian type and special types like BT/SP/WA

JUST A FEW of what were used They were reused on other types of vehicles after they had finished being trailed if the IF

the trailed vehicle was to be issued to a service unit to be assessed it would get a regular service type number ie 22 bg 86

As to the trails done by CHERTSEY on the moke theses were done at LONG VALLEY BAGSHOT HEATH AND AT CHERTSEY

ITS SELF

REGARDS WALLY

HI andy

the one at Beverley is not the one at Firepower POWER but that shoud come as a no surprise as l did both

HELLO MR DONOVAN

nice short clip good to see it l do not remember getting a royalty fee l expect its in the post

regards wally

GRAHAM

a bit more on MOKES from the CHERTSEY FILES

SPL 433A sent back to AUSTIN MOTORS on the 14/12/ 1960

SPL 446A struck off charge no date given

SPL 453 AM sent to MT SCHOOL BORDON on the25/6/ 1963

SPL 466AMsent to the MT SCHOOL BORDON on the 25/6 / 1963

SPL 467AM sent to the SCHOOL OF TANK TECHNOLOGY BOVINGTON on the 18/3/1963

SPL 468AM returned to storage at ASHCHURCH on the 24/4/1969

SPL 578 sent back to AUSTIN MOTORS on the 22/6/ 1961

SPL 748 sent back to AUSTIN MOTORS on the2/10/ 1962

could be series landrover as been said or Austin Champ both had this type of rim both five stud fitting

GRAHAM SORRY

the number on the front under metal number plate should read 14 BT 18 finger must have slipped

IN front of me now l have the 1962 BRITISH MILITARY VEHICLE BOOK ON PAGES 6 and 7 exhibit number 3 is the left

hand drive moke that tony B posted if it did appear in a earlier book it may have been in brackets [ in project stage ]

after what RICHARD POSTED i may of not of explained the establishment numbering clearly but to put simplely it was a way of tracking and the numbering was nothing to do with the MOD but only for use by CHERTSEY

Right l spent many months at CHERTSEY over a number of years so l think l know abit about how it worked so lets deal with the subject of your four white numbers on the bonnets these were called ESTABLISHMENT numbers when a new vehicle arrived be it a prototype or a production vehicle it did not get allocated number straight away it received a ESTABLISHMENT NUMBER which was painted on both sides and can be seen on other vehicles that where at chertsey first this helped to identify the individual vehicle when it was photographed so you could tell one from another it was often refered to as the photo number the reason for this l was told was number plates get swopped sometimes no ones going to re paint a number to much bother when the vehicles went onto roads out side they were issused with a registration number in this case ones out of the BT range just to prove that numbers where swopped you mentioned 14 BT 17 one l know

better than any one else if you remove the metal front number plate you will find another 14 BT NUMBER UNDER IT

you may not like this but from memory its 14 bt 17 but l could be wrong but a number is there as to what the CHERTSEY FILES hold l have really never looked in this case we should thank phylo roadking because if l had not been looking for some

thing for him l may not have found these files again there are hundreds of photos and hundreds of reports on vehicles

from 1944 to the 1990s as to your other questions if you wish l will answer them for you

kind regards wally

TONY what a good memory what about the BMC twini MOKE two engines the lightweight austin ant used 1100 car parts

one prototype moke and the twini where trailed in the USA by the military you are right about the pony and ant now whos

showing his age

REGARDS WALLY

HI TONY

Picture from the 1962 exhibits book RADE DID YOU NOTICE ITS LEFT HAND DRIVE

HI

This is from the chertsey files on MOKES

chassis photo number

spl 433a 5950

spl 446a 5998 now allocated est number 6011

spl 453 am 6008

spl 465 am 6009

spl 466 am 6010

spl 446 a 6011 formerly 5998

spl 467 am 6012

spl 468 am 6013

spl 578 6286 S.W.B

spl748 6806

spl 468 am was the last one to leave chertsey on the 24/4/1969

REGARDS WALLY

HI GRAHAM welcome e mail sent

HI

BOVINGTON for year of manufacture and history but it costs

HI

As promised we finished looking through the files in the loft today but we did not find what we were looking for we did notice that several files are missing we also think we know what may have happened to them

regards WALLY

HI and welcome have you read IRISH HUSSARS a short history of THE QUEENS IRISH HUSSARS the 8 th get a good mention also good pictures of there cromwells in the early weeks after D DAY i have a ferret that served with the QRIH

in the first GULF WAR

REGARDS WALLY

ICE COLD IN ALEX was made in 1958

hi

ALEXANDER had several topless cars including the ford as to the body being like apack of cards the body of the humber

was braced also WAVELL used them and l am sure others as well the reason that l am sure is that the chairman of the

museum MR ROBERT HOLTBY served in north africa during ww2 not only under alexander but wavell and gave the museum

numerous photos these included the cars l mentioned they where in my office for years on the wall sadly ROBERT DIED

but he served with the SAS in africa europe and lastly norway he retired major from his regiment

HI

ROOFLESS HUMBER BOXES

In the film ICE COLD IN ALEX theres one at the begining GENERAL ALEXANDER had one and there where others the

story about ALEXANDERS is that its roof was badly damaged when been unloaded so they just took the roof off

HI MR W

PHOTO pre 1990 hall one behind the flight simulater hope you are enjoying the Humber

Right l have now looked at a couple of books first LRDG GROUP BY R JENNER AND D LISTER reading it they mention the

f 3o and chev wb also on the subject of sand chanels the one in the museum had pierce planking as far as l know

it is not the type shown in the books but was around during WW 2 AS to was it from the flim sea of sand l do not know but l

do not think so as far as been on display any were in the UK l would say not

HI

YOU ARE RIGHT the one we had on display was a dodge which cyril groombridge lent us it appeared in one of the sunday

supplements LRDG MAINLY USE FORD F30S AND CHEV WBS the dodge was a replica

EVENING JOHN

l could have said CASTLE DONINGTON 71 BVD 12 .7 MILES from ruddington but it was the first one that came in

to my head because we use to do one drop ruddington one pick up market harborough on the same run did that for

6 months