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The website is still active but I have been unable to get a reply to emails or calls .I was unfortunately not aware.the.owner had died

Jenkinov..

Ensign ....are excellent but you may need to check if they do the required size

Jenkinov

Icc -5 is the pattern conformity

Wheeling are the manufacturer 

20 litres / 5 and a quarter gallons work 1942 

the info will be in a oval shield ,

The US round next has a flexible funnel that screws in and was  used  in pouring ..in battle conditions however these weren't used and 1t caused a lot of wastage so the design was dropped and reverted to The original neck .

The Jerry cans were used on every vehicle and you will see on the  back of every jeep .value varies on condition and rarity ..

Post a picture of the condition .

Jenkinov

Thanks po r the post ..the US Jerry can will have 3 rows on the bottom  ..the first row is standard and confirms the item confirms to a pattern ..the second is the manufacturer ..the third will have 20 -5-and the year

That's 20 litres -5 gallons - 1942 in your instance

The QMC is Quater  Master Company ...US for United States ..

The early US ones had a round screw in cap ..the later ones  the spout from the original design ..

Jenkinov

Thats really interesting , I was pursuing the reg number to see if i could identify if the photo was wartime or immediate post war but sounds as if Jan knows about the bike , I am Curious if works demonstrator means prototype , ? so very interested to get his input on the photo 

Jenkinov 

Looking to see if I can trace the bikes registration ..the three letters and three number system was introduced in 1932 ..EA is a Dudley prefix....can anyone confirm the full registration .I am struggling g with the 3rd character 

Jenkinov

Great find ..and we'll spotted Ron .for Royal Enfield the flying flea was a huge success with 4000 ordered by the government and it having an identifiable use in the war . The team from Royal Enfield that produced it would have attended the tests and subsequently completed required modifications ..but also  post war the success of the bike represented a major sales opportunity ..so I would suggest it's either a wartime photo of the design team or royal enfield management or an immediate post war photo ..(suits look 1940)

It would be great if we  could identify the gentleman holding the bike in the centre ..?..Any Royal Enfield historians ?

Jenkinov

That's a great toolkit  I appreciate your attention to detail in 're creating it .that must have taken months of not years to find the correct pieces..

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Gentlemen 

Thank you for the great feedback , it certainly a good  start in building a toolkit for my 3SW  I have included a Download i was given of the Triumph 3sw and 5sw handbook which contains the list of parts supplied by Triumph , I will as suggested contact Tiger 80 and see if he can fill in the Gaps on the tool kit supplied by the army 

Jenkinov 

triumph-3sw-5sw-instructionsmanual.pdf

Hi Gents 

Firstly Ron , Thank you for the photos of the Thompsons mounted on the Matchless , I had not seen these photos and its interesting to see the mounts ..I did like the HMG variant in the background and cannot recall seeing a surviving example 

Pawel , my Triumph 3sw has the welded field stand attachment and is from  contract C7162 .can we have a close up of yours so i can compare it ? , I am unclear on the date they moved from bolt on to welded field stand mounts ?

Regards

Jenkinov 

I had a good look around for an identifying plate but could not see anything easily ? it could be missing but if anyone could tell me where to look that might help , I did get a photo of the engine which looks complete and close ups of the H number but regrettably these ended up as photo bursts so i can't add them to the forum ..

The H Number has H 4501211 ...based on the visible numbers or their paint shadows 

its been 15 plus years since i first saw  this vehicle up close and it looks much the same ..I was amazed to see military canvas & buckles still riveted in place on the steel plate behind the drivers position 

Jenkinov 

Went down today and got permission to take some more photos 

The Armoured Triumph 3SW is a fantastic example of the ingenuity and experimentation tried by the british army when following Dunkirk armoured vehicles were in short supply 

A Replica of the Bike has been made and its story is on the Walsh family vehicle Collection web site  WFVC.CO.UK

 Motorbikes were used in a  variety of experiments at this time including one of my favourites ..The mounting of a Thompson Sub machine Gun .

Jenkinov

This Guy Ant was on a local farm for years and when the farm was sold was saved from the scrap yard by a local garage . It’s now parked on the side of a local road and clearly needs a major restoration .
 

the first photo is a reference photo the second is the vehicle in question 

not for the faint hearted .. 

Jenkinov

Dana glacier vandervell bearings are in Kilmarnock KA13

Www.dana.com

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Hi 

armytrucks.free.fr have a free downloadable manual for the Marmon simca that contains all the information that you need 

its obviously in french but with some perseverance you can work through it , last page includes a table with all the required lubricants for the vehicle ...they do appear to list every conceivable lubricant but this may be linked to operating temperatures so if you are in the desert use these lubricants ,,,, and if in extreme  cold these lubricants ..

The US army is listed in the handbook as users (top of the second pages of lubricants) of the vehicle so you may be able to find a copy of the handbook converted for the US army 

As an alternative you could contact RR Services who i believe imported a batch of these and potentially have spares and guidance 

Regards

Jenkinov 

I would like to revisit this topic ..the handbook lists all the tools supplied by triumph with The bike

..firstly does anyone know how these are supplied ..in a triumph toolroll and if so does anyone have one or were the bundled in string ?

secondly the toolkit is missing oil cans grease guns et c ..did despatch riders carry these or were they retained at the camp or depot ?

Regards

Jenkinov

Hi.Pawel

my previous comments were made prior to you releasing the full photo of the engine casing .which as you show is heavily damaged and you believe has suffered fire damage .... I don't have any experience of fire damaged engines but you can clearly see the abrasion marks where the numbers have been polished out .

as indicated this case has a clear contract stamp  visible and this does appear to correlate with contra Contract 5108

I don't believe this is the matching number for the frame but have been interested in the fact you have 2 early triumph 3sw. bikes with the casing from a 3rd ..I considered buying an 3sw  engine  from contract c7162 a number of years back and have always been interested in the bikes in Poland but

Their is historical evidence to support the issue of Triumphs to the free polish forces in the UK .but you suggest these were lend lease to the Soviet union issued to the polish army ..I am curious do you have any historical documents that has prompted this theory.

I am doing some research to see if triumph out bikes into the land lease programme

Jenkinov

Thought i would add this Exchange that ended up on the introductions section ..

Hi Pawel

Frame TL17954 this bikes engine appears to have suffered another common fate in that somebody tried to emulate the post war polished engine cases and has tried to remove the large and distinctive Triumph  war time stamps ..

These stamps are deep and pleasingly most have survived ..but I am sure that the individual who tried to remove these would have been deeply frustrated.

.he has clearly wanted to retain the engine number and letter s but the rest have been substantially removed ...Contract c5108 is visible .

It's curious This engine appears to feature a similar overstep to the other with a large 7 remaining ....

there are professional  techniques to recover removed numbers but those are costly and from what I can see there is enough to correctly identify this engine ...

Again with The Frame you should have the lugs for the field stand clips either on the frame or at least t he weld scars from them ..

great to see more 3sw being identified ..could I suggest you add then to the triumph register at WDTriumph.com

Please share more photos as you restore them

Jenkinov

I thought i would copy in this exchange on the bike that ended up in the introduction section 

Hi Pawel

thank you for sharing the details of the bikes ..I have enjoyed reading the thread so far and reviewing the photos 

Frame TL15567 ..The engine stamping were very interesting as with triumphs it's not unusual to see the engine numbers modified post war ..

In the period immediately after the war triumph had a manufacturing success and many people wanted a triumph 

War time bikes were undesirable and the value was in the pre war bikes and post war so many ww2 bikes were modified to be attractive to these market .potentially your bike was one of these ..Triumph have very distinctive engine stamps ..so as.you have identified you have the inspectors WE stamp ..followed by the year 40 (1940l and the model 3s

The Engine number has had a 3 added (wrong font) to the front and this has been used to register the bike in Poland but mis identified..you also have the contract number which again is a triumph stamp C5108

the large overstamp of 71435 is interesting and is an doing a bit more research into that ..could I get a close up of that stamp please ...

The frame should have the lugs for the field stand clips ..or the weld marks where these have been removed

Jenkinov

Hi Paul

Thanks For your feedback ..My computer auto corrected my text ..which should have read WD stamp ..War department

In the Triumph Factory the  war department had an inspector ..he would as his title suggests inspect and accept the engines .each had a unique stamp yours is visible on the left overstepped in part with a large 7 ..

The stamp comprises the War department arrow a letter M and the inspectors number which I believe is 68...

Ron Pier one of the forum members has traced a photo of the inspector for one of his  bikes ..as he stamps it .

The field stand clip lugs have often been removed ..you will need to 're-onstage these if you want to fit a field stand 

Jenkinov

Hi Pawel

Frame TL17954 this bikes engine appears to have suffered another common fate in that somebody tried to emulate the post war polished engine cases and has tried to remove the large and distinctive Triumph  war time stamps ..

These stamps are deep and pleasingly most have survived ..but I am sure that the individual who tried to remove these would have been deeply frustrated.

.he has clearly wanted to retain the engine number and letter s but the rest have been substantially removed ...Contract c5108 is visible .

It's curious This engine appears to feature a similar overstep to the other with a large 7 remaining ....

there are professional  techniques to recover removed numbers but those are costly and from what I can see there is enough to correctly identify this engine ...

Again with The Frame you should have the lugs for the field stand clips either on the frame or at least t he weld scars from them ..

great to see more 3sw being identified ..could I suggest you add then to the triumph register at WDTriumph.com

Please share more photos as you restore them

Jenkinov

Hi Pawel

thank you for sharing the details of the bikes ..I have enjoyed reading the thread so far and reviewing the photos 

Frame TL15567 ..The engine stamping were very interesting as with triumphs it's not unusual to see the engine numbers modified post war ..

In the period immediately after the war triumph had a manufacturing success and many people wanted a triumph 

War time bikes were undesirable and the value was in the pre war bikes and post war so many ww2 bikes were modified to be attractive to these market .potentially your bike was one of these ..Triumph have very distinctive engine stamps ..so as.you have identified you have the inspectors WE stamp ..followed by the year 40 (1940l and the model 3s

The Engine number has had a 3 added (wrong font) to the front and this has been used to register the bike in Poland but mis identified..you also have the contract number which again is a triumph stamp C5108

the large overstamp of 71435 is interesting and is an doing a bit more research into that ..could I get a close up of that stamp please ...

The frame should have the lugs for the field stand clips ..or the weld marks where these have been removed

Jenkinov

Phil ..did the lead on the 5s engine prove any value..I did locate a 3s engine clearly military but one restamped 

post war ...which is not unusual let me know if you are interested .I will send you the link.

Jenkinov 

I believe I have one of the reproductions ...very nice and recommended ..I bought mine quite  while back .are they still available ?

Jenkinov