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    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    I think at least that the owners of affected vehicles should approach DVLA with the question "Why is my vehicle not PLG?"

     

    There's a degree of logic behind this, because before the EU put their oar in, the only HGVs were in excess of 7.5 tonnes. Goods vehicles below that were taxed PLG and you could drive them on a car licence - some of us still can! That presumably explains the pre-2001 exemptions for PLG.

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    Didn't think PLG was a tax class in the 80's thought it was different then.. probaly wrong..

     

    It was indeed around, and I can tell you an interesting story about it. I was parked up behind Brighton Conference Centre with one of the aforementioned OB trucks (B261RND if I recall correctly) chatting to a policeman who queried the PLG tax disc. I pointed out that it wasn't a goods vehicle. He came back later after having been called away, saying "I've checked and you're right!". We chatted like mad after that, until the following morning when all of a sudden there were a lot more policemen and they were a lot less talkative. It was 12 October 1984 and we were covering the Conservative Party Conference ...

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    Just to try to clear this up (or muddy the water even more!!)

    Vehicle over 3500kgs are therefore LGV (Large Goods Vehicle)

     

    If not used commercially would have to be taxed as Private Heavy Goods and nothing else

     

    Sorry, No. That's only correct for vehicles first registered after 1 March 2001. Understandably, most of the information on the DVLA website is "dumbed-down" to make it easier to understand. You need to read the document Lee included in Post 12 for the full version.

     

    So, if:

     

     

    • The vehicle is not a goods vehicle (i.e. not constructed or modified to carry goods);

    • AND it is privately run (i.e. not for hire or reward);

    • AND it was first registered before 1 March 2001

     

    then it is PLG, REGARDLESS of weight. I believe that CVR(W)s satisfy all of the above, unless someone wants to contradict me?

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    PHGV see post #44 & follow link

     

    Sorry Lee, but I disagree - the link refers to current vehicles, not ones registered before 2001. From your document in Post 12:

     

    "CLASS TYPE OF VEHICLE AND/OR USE

    Private/Light Goods (PLG) Vehicles registered before the 1.3.01: Private motor cars; goods vehicles not more than 3,500kg revenue weight; vehicles used for "private" (non-trade or business) purposes (including 3 wheeled vehicles over 450kg unladen). Vehicles registered after 1.3.01: vehicles that do not come into the scope of the first six tax classes, listed below."

     

    Note that there is NO weight restriction on "private" PLGs registered before 2001. I know from personal experience that is correct as I was running a pair of 7.5 tonne PLG Outside Broadcast trucks around in the mid-1980s.

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    From what I've read it appears that anyone using there vehicle for private use in the UK are exempt from drivers hours rules

     

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/workingtime/drivershoursgoods.pdf Page 24

     

     

    GB domestic rules

     

    SECTION 3: GB domestic rules

    The GB domestic rules, as contained in the Transport Act 1968, apply to most goods vehicles that are exempt from the EU rules. Separate rules apply to Northern Ireland.

     

     

     

     

    Domestic rules exemptions

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The following groups are exempt from the domestic drivers’ hours rules:

     

    • drivers of vehicles used by the Armed Forces, the police and fire brigade;

    • drivers who always drive off the public road system; and

    • private driving, i.e. not in connection with a job or in any way to earn a living.

     

    Surely the critical phrase here is "apply to most goods vehicles that are exempt from the EU rules". So firstly the vehicle must be such that EU rules don't apply, THEN the domestic rules apply, which are waived for private use?

     

    Andy

    Car Insurance Premiums

    in Other Chatter

    Posted

    My insurance company tried this last year. On the advice of a friend who'd had the same problem, I used the company's website to give me an online quote, which was much less than the renewal. I then invited them to explain why and was transferred to the "retentions department" who explained that the new policies were different(!) and managed to renew at a price less than that quoted by the website. I think all insurance companies are trying this on in the hope that customers won't notice. It's a trick they've borrowed from the banks, who consistently improve terms on new accounts and don't offerthose improvements to existing account holders. Caveat Emptor!

     

    Andy

    MVT Contacts

    in MV Chatter

    Posted

    No drawback - the logical conclusion is that once you have re-registered your Ford Escort as a road roller, you can then use it to take the G licence...

     

    ... and for those inside the M25 I think you'll find it's then congestion charge exempt, too! :shocked:

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    Again from a road safety perspective, one of the reasons the tacho was introduced, it would make sense to ensure that everybody driving an "in scope" vehicle sticks to the same rules

     

    That of course is the other side of the coin. Whilst some of the legislation designed to stamp out cowboy hauliers makes no sense for MVs, if an HGV crashes into a bus full of school children because the driver was asleep they aren't going to care if it was privately owned or not - the end result will be the same.

     

    Andy

    Declassification and release of FV430 manuals

    in Tracked vehicles

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    I've recently been talking to the MOD about the declassification and release of Mk2 and Mk2/1 FV430 technical manuals that are currently held by MOD in electronic (PDF) format. Some early ones are simply scans, but the later ones are truly electronic and therefore searchable - very useful for something like parts catalogues!

     

    As anyone involved with MOD knows, it's pretty easy to classify a document but much harder to declassify one. After discussions with the Combat Tracks Group at Abbey Wood, the Disposal Sales Authority and other interested parties, someone in Main Building suggested that I tried a Freedom of Information Act request. I've just had the following response:

     

    "Thank you for your email of 1 September 2010 which you sent to www.mod.uk. Your correspondence has been considered to be a request for information in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and I have been asked to reply.

     

    Your request for information received by this Department read:

     

    I would like to apply for the release of the parts catalogue for FV432 Armoured Personnel Carriers, AESP 2350-T-251-711 on the grounds that the vehicles are being disposed of by the DSA into private hands and the catalogue would be of value to the private owners. The catalogue is "owned" by the Combat Tracks Group at Abbey Wood and exists in electronic PDF format.

     

    (Please note that this is a specimen request for release of all FV430 Mk 2 and Mk 2/1 documents in the AESP 2350 series)

     

    This information is being withheld under S22 (Information intended for future publication). The Project team is intending to redact/de-classify all manuals in time for the vehicles disposal in April 2011, after which they will be published under the MOD publications scheme and will be available on the MOD website (www.mod.uk)."

     

    This is extremely good news as it means that FV430 owners will have access to the full set of manuals for the vehicles. I'm assuming that the April 2011 date refers to the out-of-service date for the pre-Bulldog FV430s.

     

     

    Andy

    FV434 generator warning light problem?

    in Lubrication, Batteries & Electrics

    Posted

    Hi,

    well ill have a look when i get down there, but is it common for the alternators to fail?

     

    I think the alternators themselves are pretty bomb-proof, it's the gubbins around them that causes occasional problems. Check the voltage as suggested above to see what's happening. It's worth unmating and re-mating the connectors on the control boxes to the right of the driver's seat (with engine stopped and master switch off!) in case it's just grot in the connectors.

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    Attached the Tax Classes pdf

     

    That document defines Goods Vehicle as "a mechanically propelled vehicle (other than a motor bicycle or tricycle not over 450kg unladen) which is constructed or adapted for the conveyance of goods or burden of any description, including samples, and which exceeds 3,500kg revenue weight ." A DROPS may fit in this definition, but CVR(W)s and the like plainly don't. Also, if the vehicle was registered before 1 March 2001, PLG is defined as "vehicles used for "private" (non-trade or business) purposes (including 3 wheeled vehicles over 450kg unladen). " I think you've got a PLG ....

     

    Andy

    FV434 generator warning light problem?

    in Lubrication, Batteries & Electrics

    Posted · Edited by andym

    If you mean the warning light on the driver's panel, the one on my 432 is never on once the engine is running, regardless of rpm. It's supposed to extinguish once the generators reach charging voltage and that should be at any engine speed over 600rpm. I suspect you've either got very flat batteries or a rectifier/control box problem - is the ammeter showing any charge? If you've got a voltmeter, check the voltage across the batteries with the the engine running, it should be 28.5V +/- 0.5V.

     

    Andy

    Private HGV Tacho Requirements?

    in Legislation, Licenses & Registration

    Posted

    When I was at Piccadilly Radio in Manchester in the 1980s we had two Outside Broadcast trucks built on Ford Cargo 0815 chassis. They were registered and taxed as PLG because they didn't satisfy the definition of HGV in that they didn't carry "goods". They also didn't have tachos for the same reason. The rules may have changed since then, but it's worthwhile asking if your PHGV is actually an HGV at all?

     

    Andy

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