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8.2 Unlicensed vehicles not used on public roads

 

A vehicle that is not used on the public road and has no licence under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 is an excepted vehicle. If a vehicle has become untaxed since 31 January 1998 it requires a Statutory Off-Road Notification (SORN). Such vehicles will be eligible to use red diesel if a SORN declaration has been made. Unlicensed vehicles that do not require a SORN (including unregistered vehicles that have never used the public road) will continue to be able to use red diesel without a SORN declaration if kept off-road.

Hang on - is there a nasty little Gotcha hiding here? I read this as saying that a vehicle which is, or has been road registered can only use red diesel ON PRIVATE LAND if a SORN has been declared? I wonder how many people with "Historic" taxed vehicles this will bite, as there's usually no incentive to declare it SORN?

Andy

I remember seeing Eagle laid up at Devonport. If you had a high enough vantage point you could see right down through her where they'd stripped stuff out to keep Ark going.

Andy

If only it wasn't so true ....

Andy

Welcome aboard - have you got your H licence yet?

Andy

According to Deaf Stanley OMD-90 is:

 

Lubricating oil, engine, severe duty, diesel, extended service SAE 10W/30

Thanks Clive - on Googling around it also appears to be semi or fully synthetic, regardless of the "M" in the name. As I don't know what's already in there (an FV432 gearbox) I'll either need a mineral-based equivalent or something that will mix with oil in the box that may be mineral. When you drain the box there's apparently five litres of oil left behind!

Andy

Incidentally, I see that the current maintenance schedule for the FV430 series specifies OMD90 for the engine and gearbox. Does anyone know what the civilian equivalent of that is? Judging by the way the numbers go I'm assuming it's a detergent 20/50?

Andy

Two sets of discs, both internal to the gearbox/steering unit. One set does the steering, the other both the foot brakes and the parking brake, although they have independent linkages external to the box. Unlike the CVR(T), the parking brake can be applied and released gradually.

Andy

You could get VOSA to carry out a Voluntary Brake Test, if it passes then that should be good enough for the DVLA..

Can they do that for a tracked vehicle, though?

Andy

IrfanView is another possibility if you want something more powerful than the Microsoft built-ins but less complicated than Gimp.

Andy

Isn't there one at the Army Museum of Flying at Middle Wallop?

Andy

The front three nipples lubricate the steering linkage, the rear two lubricate the accelerator cross-shaft. The very rearmost one should have a pipe dropping down to the right-hand bearing, the one on front of it has a long pipe crossing to the left-hand bearing.

And you only found mud and general crud in the driver's footwell? I found a magazine full of blank SA80 rounds - see my post on the subject! :shocked:

Andy

Does that mean you remove the tank to get at it or that the fuel just pours out if you do not drop the level ?

Unlike the FV432, I think the FV434 pump is mounted directly on the fuel tank, so the tank needs to be drained to below the level of the pump before removal. Not the world's most clever design, perhaps?

Andy

Very impressive! Don't forget to keep a backup of the Excel file ....

Andy

nice one Andy trust you

All jokes aside, there's just something "right" about the way the 433 looks.

Andy

i thought i won this on ebay ! :-(

Did you ask for delivery? :-D

Andy

The answer is simple. Buy something like a Chieftain or Challenger and demonstrate how practical the Ferret is in comparison!

Andy

There's definitely something very satisfying about a big gun! :cool2:

Andy

Irrespective of how true or not these two scenarios are it would not have taken much for those members from these august (??) departments to have joined in the relevant threads either agreeing, disproving or adding guidance with the usual caveats on being down to the courts of law to adjudicate.

 

Just lurking, reading the posts and not joining in offering guidance where needed is not - to me at least - evidence of working WITH people to keep a hobby prospering, but in fact the exact opposite..... It would not take much effort on their part to change this negative impression to a positive one.......

But on what basis would they join in, as individuals or as "official" representatives of their department? Anyone who works for the government (or most companies) is very aware of the minefield that awaits those who express their personal opinions with a departmental label attached.

Andy

The Stormer Technical Description is still classified as Restricted, unfortunately. My understanding is that DVLA accept the MVT as an organisation competent to inspect vehicles for registration purposes, so ask Terry to go over it and issue an appropriate letter?

Andy

The Dutch bit confused me too, but as I'm used to foreign versions of Amazon, PayPal etc it wasn't too hard - the buttons are always in the same place! :-)

Andy

A fully charged conventional flooded lead-acid battery should be around 12.7V open circuit. The grey Hawker batteries are slightly higher, at 13V.

Andy

... we have an amazing charger on them now and its up to 11.9V now.

Hmm - 11.9V sounds rather low. Are you sure the 434 is charging them properly? With the engine running at anything above tickover there should be 28.5V +/- 0.5V across the batteries.

Andy

Spoke with terry till from the MVT today . he confirmed he has spoken to the DVLA Policy dealing with my case , They confirmed to him that they didnt want tracked MV's Running on the roads . This is been brought up at there next committee meeting in November .

 

As I have only been a member of the MVT for the past 6 months I have no experience on how the MVT handle affairs but hope that they dont take DVLA's actions lightly . As the Main association for MV's I would like to see them take on DVLA to protect all Military vehicle owners.

I alerted Terry when this thread first appeared. From what I've seen in Windscreen, the MVT are very proactive when dealing with the authorities and are unlikely to take this lying down.

Andy

People are straying from the two important points here:

 

1) Xtreme believes his vehicle is compliant with C&U. DVLA/VOSA have taken advice and disagree. The only way solution is to have it inspected by the relevant authorities. Their decision will be based on the freely available rules and regulations. If the owner disagrees with their findings he has the right to appeal.

 

2) DVLA have suggested that ex-military tracked vehicles should no longer be registered. This is the important point which must be addressed. As far as I know there is no legal standing for this point of view. Provided a vehicle can be registered within the existing legal framework they have no grounds for refusal. Please do not speculate about possible terrorist threats being the motivating factor - it is not for DVLA to decide Home Office policy. (Of course if this were found to have come from the Home Office that would be a different matter but there is no suggestion this is the case.) Remember once a civilian purchases an ex-military vehicle it becomes a civilian vehicle. Ok, so in the case of a CVRT it's a fairly big, heavy, civilian vehicle but nowhere on the logbook or any of the associated paperwork is it described as military or ex-military. There is no distinction in law between a civilian-owned CVRT and a road-going tracked dozer of similar dimensions.

 

- MG

I couldn't have said it better - The latter point is a particularly important issue. Can we please keep this discussion on-topic?

Andy

Right...we had a good shufty under the bonnet today

:shocked:

Andy