nptimber

It's taken me ages,:computerrage: but I suppose I should start yet another explorer thread..... this time for my XSK460....

xsk 460 was once owned by paul (piggy) thompson from gretton nr corby northants. He worked it very hard doing off road demontrations for pro trax 4x4 corporate events . Good to see it still going strong . :-D

I hope this is the right place to put this but I started looking at the cab last night and I'd be interested to know what is meant to go in/on the following.

 

This was bolted to the front panel; on the nearside. There has been a canvas strap which has long since rotted off. Fire extinguisher?

 

 

Nearside of the cab close to the side window. The cab has had some bodges done on it in the past and a number of the panels have been partially replaced so I don't know if there is meant to be other brackets to support whatever this bit held in.

 

 

Two for the price of one. What is the narrow steel cubby hole for? Clipboard? Packed lunch? And the wooden cupboard - what was emant to live in there? The internal shapes do seem quite specialised.

 

 

Nearside of the body. What gets hooked on these?

 

 

TIA.

Small angle iron bracket is where top of shovel handle fits up to.

Top box on rear of cab is for first aid kit

Hooks on side of locker secure wire hawser for scotch pan ground anchor under this should be place to stow scotch pan held in place by a flat bar .

Narrow steel box is for drivers work ticket. (similar to old style drivers log book)

Taken at the Aldham Rally

 

I didnt realise just how big Antars really are ,in the top picture it clearly shows a mobile crane being used to open the cupola on the roof!!:shocked:

Why not just use the coffee pot on the radiator:-D

The ex RAF Cardington Ballon Winch Leyland Beaver (fourth picture) is to be re-united with an authentic Ballon winch.

 

It's was taken off to go to the gulf war mounted on a "container, pallet", and left there.

 

But another was taken off a second truck, and mounted on a skid. The Beaver owner has just managed to buy it and is well motivated to get it back onto the Beaver.

Trust you to have beaver on your mind ! its a 6x4 so its a hippo:-D

 

It was owned by Graham Booth for a while.

The picture shows it when in the ownership of my father Brian Freer he used it for moving road making plant for Tarmac ltd Corby Northants .

He also moved several steam rollers/ engines etc and a lot of railway rolling stock for museums as shown in the picture.

The Scammell was used everday for this type of work and the picture shows it as was worked not in preservation. Graham Booth did own it before us ,as did Dave Crouch .

Is it still with us or is it now driving down that big motorway in the sky!!! :argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

well after a lot of hunting round i have finally gone and done it . Can you guess what i have gone and bought. 1st picture is the hedge i had to take down to get it out. 2nd picture gives you a better idea of what the vehicle actually is.

pioneers they never say die !

The top picture was taken some time ago because thats me in the pioneer aged about 13 .The Foden on tow is Lord Morrison the ex Billy Smarts circus generating set . It is owned by Alan Wilson from Daventry Northants and was collected from Billy Smarts yard at Winkfield by my father with his Scammell Trunker low loader .

My father used to own a Scammell Crusader 6X4 65ton tractor unit fitted with a 71 series detroit diesel.Its reg no was UYL814S Ex Pickfords heavy haulage . The last i know of it, it

was converted to a recovery vehicle, it was painted yellow and operated by bypass garage ? possibly in the bolton area . Anyone know what happend to it ,where it is now ?

please ring with any info Ben 01858 565 425

I was looking at Fellows blocks at the W/E. The old Mk111 block ( forged or cast steel??) is rated at a SWL of 15 Tons, Proof Load 45 Tons, But the latter welded Fellows blocks are rated SWL 15 Tons, Proof load 30 Tons....

Good job i put a padlock and chain on them PINCHER FINCHER had his eyes on them all weekend , but i did notice all the bolts were loose on the track box on the pioneer , perhaps his master plan was to nick the whole box ?

All the information you need is here.

http://www.aecmilitant.co.uk/downloads/recoverymanual.pdf

 

There's nothing like a discussion about winching to bring out misunderstandings and old wives tales.

A military 15t snatch block is rated at 15t per line. It can be used to give a 3:1 pull with a 15t winch for a total of 45t.

If you need a 30t winch to move a 30t tank, how come I can push a 2t Land Rover ?

 

I wouldn't worry about getting a snatch block tested, just a visual check for obvious damage.

Have you had the U bolts and shackle pins connecting your axles to your truck porofessionally tested ? The consequences of failure are far more serious.

At last someone who knows what they are talking about

Desert recovery

Great pictures les ,is that a crane 71/2 ton recovery trailer behind the scammell ? and what is the weight of the crawler tractor loaded on it?

From the way you were whizzing round that field, I would say it was faster too!

The steering is a lot easier on the arms :sweat:,the brakes are more responsive,its about equal in its off road ability,the only bad point is you can get done for speeding in a 30 limit:stop:

Another vehicle slipped your mind Ben??

Its got more gears than the pioneer and i quite like this shade of pink!!!

fantastic pics, its a very lovely scammell, was it also fitted with the 6lw gardner?

I think the early pioneers were fitted with Scammells own four cylinder petrol engine and the Scammell four speed gearbox ?. The Scammell 100 ton artic tractors as used by Edward Box /M.R.S /Pickfords also used these units and were built 1929 /1930s around the same time as the pioneers.

There are two types of track, flat plate like the photo which fitted the pioneer and

early explorer with the gated track carrier and, spiral type which fitted all other explorers and militants, these don't normally fit early explorer track carriers.

There are also two types of track tensioning tools (as i found out while trying to

fit a set,they are not interchangeable!!!)

cheers thanks for the info

That's the one, with 'Explorer' clearly visible on the bonnet side, not a Contractor Explorer but a latter day Explorer. There were four from a cancelled export order that were fitted with fifth wheels and worked on a landfill site in the UK hauling the roadgoing bulkers to the tipping area.

Is this the same one that appeared at the Scammell Owners club rally at Rodger Austins yard in chassis cab form early 1990s?

I found this picture on another thread, the tracks on this pioneer look a lot different form the ones in the manual, (also attached), where there different types :confused:

where there also tracks for the explore, if so where they the same as Pioneer:confused:

 

and is it possible to finde a set of tracks, as it could be a nice pice of equipment to have..... :cool2:

I have a set of overall tracks which came from an explorer ,they are similar to the ones shown in your picture apart from the cross bars which are flat bars with a double twist on them , they came from a timber /earthmoving contractor who operated near Kettering northants.I think the explorer he operated still exists it was sold to Badger Bros recovery at Lubenham nr market harborough reg no YNV 185 J .

The pioneer in niels v last picture shows a late build sv/2s with wheel lifting hubs and shows the spare wheel carrier under the jib

Ours is one of this late batch. Same things - capstans on the hubs and the uprated compressor. It is number 5964 which was apparently built under contract S9552 dated 14 June 1945. According to Mr Ware the registration numbers allocated were H6229118-6229317 but he could not say which chassis numbers (which ran from 5878 to 6027) these were allocated to.

 

There is already something wrong here because NPT's census number is H6229517 which falls outside the range stated above.

 

My head hurts.

 

NPT - how do you know what your census number was? Was it still on the vehicle when you got it or was there another way you found it. We've been assuming (in the absence of anything else) that the numbers ran consecutively. There are no traces of the census number left anywhere on ours.

Looking at key card again

CHASSIS NO 5911 H6229151 DELIVERED 21/8/45 CONTRACT S9552 161 INF WORKSHOPS R.E.M.E (T.A) SOLD 25/11/57 34 YZ 18

CHASSIS NO 5867 H6229107 34 YZ 19

CHASSIS NO 5871 H6229111 34 YZ 31

CHASSIS NO 5875 H6229115 34 YZ 30

This indicates that cencus numbers count up with chassis numbers ,but this is not the case with the post war YZ reg numbers.

Ours is one of this late batch. Same things - capstans on the hubs and the uprated compressor. It is number 5964 which was apparently built under contract S9552 dated 14 June 1945. According to Mr Ware the registration numbers allocated were H6229118-6229317 but he could not say which chassis numbers (which ran from 5878 to 6027) these were allocated to.

 

There is already something wrong here because NPT's census number is H6229517 which falls outside the range stated above.

 

My head hurts.

 

NPT - how do you know what your census number was? Was it still on the vehicle when you got it or was there another way you found it. We've been assuming (in the absence of anything else) that the numbers ran consecutively. There are no traces of the census number left anywhere on ours.

I have a copy of the key card for my scammell which i used as a reference .The key card was issued when the scammell was disposed of and states its original H number which is crossed out and replaced with its new number 34 YZ 16 it also states the last unit it served with which was 910 squadron R.C.T R.E.M.E workshops T.A . I also have a copy of the complete build list for contract s 9552 which i would send to you if you forward your address , i have sent a copy of this to madrat so he can date his scammell for registration purposes .I stated my cencus number as H6229517 this is wrong it is H6229157 please accept my apoligies for the confusion and your hurting head ! The list starts with chassis number 5878 and ends with chassis number 6027 so you and Mr Ware are right with your information.

CHASSIS NO 5917 DELIVERED 3 /9 /45

CHASSIS NO 5964 DELIVERED 25/10/45

CHASSIS NO 6002 DELIVERED 7/12/45

The first chassis number 5878 was delivered 30/6/45

The last chassis number 6027 was delivered 25/1/46

Interesting those white wall tyres and the lugs on the rear rim, I think maybe this one has the Morris jib but is indistinct, the SV1 could not have the spare wheel there.

 

There is a pic of a crane truck and another Scammell on the site also with white wall tyres, can't seem to copy post them here though:confused:

This pioneer is one of a number built during late 1945 early 1946 they differed from the earlier built SV/2S pioneers with several modifications put in place to operate in Palestine. Lifting bollards where fitted to the hubs for easier handling when shipping .A larger belt driven compressor was fitted for towing tank transporter trailers for moving engineering plant and civil engineering supplies . A spare wheel carrier was fitted under the recovery jib. My pioneer chassis no 5917 H6229517, Madrats pioneer chassis no 6002 are both SV/2S pioneers from this this late build contract

Hi all.

 

As seen on MOD web site.

 

 

Rather tasty I think and one hell of a piece of kit. Should do a "proper job."

 

Read more including spec here.

 

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/32TonneTrucksRollOffTheProductionLine.htm

 

Markheliops

My nephew is currently operating the M.A.N recovery vehicle in Afganistan with R.E.M.E ,from what he says its quite an impressive piece of kit .

1. Gardner 6lw in a Scammell Pioneer or 45 ton chain drive. 2. 71 series Detroit Diesel V8 in Scammell 65 ton Crusader 3. Rolls Royce 305 Eagle Diesel in Scammell Crusader Eka.4. 7.7 9.6 11.3 litre A.E.C Diesel Engines

Some Pioneers had the Scammell cast into the coffee pot and some didn't, I am not sure but I think the later ones had no name.

My pioneer was built in 1945 and it has no name cast in the radiator or any Gardner name cast in the inspection plates on the engine

C.A.L.M Crane Atlas Lorry Mounted A.E.C Militant Mk 1 0860 1266

Anyone know where i can find a rear body?