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  1. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Dad is still keeping going, trying to wrap the job up. He has picked up the last casting, the hot air duct elbow and dressed it up. No idea why the original was in gunmetal! A trial fit didn't look good but I pointed out that I had been unable to bend the tube tightly enough and the bend was sitting on top of the exhaust shield. The pipe is wrong, not the casting! He therefore bore the casting true and has left me to fix the pipe! The HT lead pipe is secured with a simple brass strap. Looks OK! Well, that is the last casting. Dad has also been painting the tool box bits ready for assembly the next time we can get to Devon. Steve
  2. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    We are in a funny odds-and-ends phase at the moment. We really need to get together again to take the engine out and pull it down. In the mean time, apart from catching up with other things, I have made up a puller toget the propshaft joint apart which is the last thing holding the engine in place. A rummage in the drawer found a ring that I made up for something else which I have been able to bore out. Goodness knows what I made it for but I suspect that it will become obvious when I need to do that job again! Now ready to clamp to the prop and pull the cover off. Hitting it didn't work! We have rescued the greaser, drain tap and priming cocks from the engine so I thought I would sort them out. Some paraffin and a gentle wire brushing soon brought these up. The priming cocks are unusual in that the cup on top is filled with fuel and then unscrewed to open the needle valve at the bottom and allow the fuel to run in. As you can see, we only have two and a half of them. First job, after cleaning up was to identify the threads. After a lot of head scratching, I reached the conclusion that they were NPT (National Pipe Straight) which is a form I don't have so I ordered up some taps and a die. I suspect that stock turnover may be slow in this size. The printing on the box looks like it is from the 1960's and the taps were beautifully wrapped in greaseproof paper and placed in a tinplate tray. The die is dated 1950. That is 68 years on the shelf! Anyway, they did the job alright. You can't see it but there is a hole right through the centre and a cross hole just above the point. Full set ready to go! Dad is working on the rest of the pump so we will have something to show there shortly. Steve :)
  3. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    The engine is nearly ready to come out now and only needs the driveshaft disconnecting. I had a go at it yesterday but it would not let go and then we lost the light so it has been left for another day. Once that is disconnected, we will have to get the gang out to manhandle the chassis from its current position to a point underneath the chain block. Then we will be away. In the mean time, both Father and I have some homework to be getting on with. Happy New Year everone! Steve
  4. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    As you can see above, Dad now has a kit of parts for the toolbox to paint, along with the rear lamp bracket. I fitted some hooks under the body this morning before leaving so now it is only a paint and assemble job and we can call it 'finished'. Then it is onto the next one in earnest. We haven't taken it out this break. The weather is OK but the lack of light is offputting and this time of year also results in a constant stream of visitors which is very nice but distracting. Back to reality shortly but at least it will be a short week! Happy New Year everyone! Steve
  5. Old Bill

    1914 Dennis Lorry

    Now that's a proper Christmas present! Steve
  6. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Thanks Ed! It is a real pain living 200 miles from the project as I can't nip out and do some little job. They all have to be planned in for the occasional visits. Oh well. I have now completed the last pattern, number 32. The is for the hot air duct elbow which mounts on top of the exhaust maniflod and directs hot air into the carburettor. It is not needed with volatile modern fuels but we will fit it for completion sake. Firstly , the elbow. I have tried Terry Harper's recommended procedure of turning up a doughnut shape and then cutting it into chunks before gluing the bits together into an elbow. Glued up and on the flange, previously cut from MDF. Then a quick rummage for a chunk of hardwood for the main part of it. MDF again for the flange on which the HT lead tube is mounted. Glue up and some filler for the corners. Twenty minutes with the Dremel and some sanding drums to dress. Drill through the core prints for some location pegs. And saw it in half. I don't like this bit! I attached some thin ply to both surfaces to allow for the material lost to the saw cut. Dress off with the Dremel again. More MDF glued up to make the core box. Marked out. Drill the straight bits in the lathe. The green tape is my depth stop. One hole began to tear a bit as it went over the joint line. It is not as serious as it looks. Work the curve out with a small gouge and a cardboard template. A bit of glass paper to finish. Two coats of Bondaprime and that is the last pattern, thank goodness. I am a metal worker really.... Well, my Thornycroft 'To-Do' list here in Leicester is now empty. We plan to put the fuel tank back over Christmas and make up the toolbox ready for the painting department. Father can also take this pattern to the foundry in the new year so we are all but there. The Peerless beckons! Steve
  7. Old Bill

    Crossley IGL 3

    Looking good. It is out of the way now as well! Steve
  8. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Another finishing-off job, currently in hand is the rear lamp bracket. Detailed information on this is scarce and we had only this photo and the remains of the original article. It is attached to the chassis rail but not to the underside of the channel but to the inside face of the bottom flange instead. We know this as that was where the original came from. It is a pain though as it meant an extra bend in the bracket. I guess we shall never know the reason why. First two bends were done hot in the vice. Then the big one, also hot, using my bending block and some pegs. The ends were welded on by our welding instructor at work. You can tell the difference from mine! It is now primed and ready for the paint shop at Christmas. Just the last pattern to go now. Steve
  9. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    I have just found this one on the 'Cornish Memories' website. Are you in it? It is a nice pic and something to aim for! Steve
  10. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    We are getting towards the end of the job now and only the last few odds and ends remain. However, if we don't do them now, they will never get done! I have been given a copy of the Ministry of Munitions drawing for the standard chock or 'Scotch' as they call it so I decided to make up a couple to hang on the back. The drawing specifies Elm but I think we will settle for softwood. Fortunately, I had a spare plank in the shed. First job, though, was to sort out some bolts and fortunately for us, we had some in stock. I made up the square washers to the drawing. Ten minutes with the band saw. Interestingly, rather than screw the chain to the rear of the scotch, there is a hole in the centre so that it can go around the tie bolt. Then we needed the rings for the end so I bent some rod, cold, around a bit of bar in the vice. And then joined them using silver solder again. There is a long narrow link between the scotch and the first ring. These were bent hot. A bit of chain rescued from an old chain block and that is another job off the list! The timber for the tool boxes is on order so we plan to make them up over Christmas along with re-fitting the fuel tank. Then we should be ready for a proper run! Steve
  11. Old Bill

    Another Thornycroft

    I wish I had seen that ten years ago! Thanks for sharing. Steve
  12. Old Bill

    WW1 finds and discoveries

    Thanks Marcel. Great find! Did you notice at the end of the film where the Autocar was reversing into the building, the rear end of an FWD lorry on the left hand side? Another survivor! Steve
  13. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    Thanks for all of your suggestions chaps. Dad has been trying 'Fertan' so I am looking forward to seeing the results. We haven't tried electrolysis yet but it is one to keep up our sleeves. In the mean time, one of the chains has been in the molasses and has come out quite well. Some of the links are still seized so it needs some more work but it is a good start. We have been fortunate to have been given another P&H lamp. This is the same as the original pair that we have but has a much better casing so between them, we can make up a good pair. It is missing the badge but Dad has managed to salvaeg the one on the rotten lamp. Into the molasses! The new casing still had some paint on it so the molasses didn't have any effect in those areas and it had to be finished off with a wire brush. Dad has had some new glasses cut for them. Meanwhile, we cannot resist having a bit of a go at the job. We have decided that our Christmas project will be to pull the engine out and tear it down as we think that we have just enough space to do that. It is getting tight though! Tim has taken the bonnet and top hose off and is looking to remove the radiator. One bonnet catch remained on the chassis. We are going to need eight of these for the two lorries so I foresee some serious filing in my future! We are going to need an engine stand as well. The Peerless engine sits on the chassis rails rather than a sub-frame so the engine stand needs to be wider. A little modification was therefore undertaken. Must go and finish the Thornycroft! Steve
  14. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Something else I have been up to is making up some rear view mirror brackets. I have tried driving without mirrors and it is foolhardy in the extreme so these brackets hang on the hood frames with wing nuts. Safety concious as ever, I have made a carrier to go under the seat to stow a fire blanket. Whilst on that theme, I have fitted a fire extinguisher under the seat. All of this lot is in Devon now for painting. I also took down the fuel tank so Dad can paint that. We were caught out last time by the paint bubbling up but on taking some advice, this was put down to poor flux removal on my part. It has been recommended that we use washing soda this time so we asked Mother if she had any. Of course she had! Mind you, I think it is nearly as old as the lorry! Looking at the tank, Dad spotted two areas of damage on the back. These turned out to be caused by bolt ends just fouling it. It is a good job that we took the tank off as they would have worked their way right through in the end. Dad has now trimmed them off. The seat cushion is now fixed with a batten along the top edge rather than screws. They were beginning to show signs of pulling through so best to catch them early. The cushion has a flat strip along the top edge so the batten is just screwed through it and the cushion folds down over it. We fitted the shovel and pick brackets so they are out of the way. Dad has finished painting the head board so that is safely stowed in the back now. These finishing off jobs take a surprisingly long time but are nearly all done. I will be making the rear lamp bracket next. The Peerless is looming! Steve
  15. Old Bill

    WW1 Dennis truck find

    We are not fitting sprags to either lorry as the current highways authorities are unsympathetic to holes appearing in thr tarmac! The Dennis ones were operated by a cable with a large ring on the end. This ring sits on a hook on the side of the steering column until needed when it is released and the sprags are lowered.. Our column does have the hook fitted. To be honest, I suspect that sprags dropped out of fashion very early in the war as you don't see them on vehicles very often at all. Steve
  16. Old Bill

    WW1 Dennis truck find

    I have just done another 'finishing off' task in the shape of the chock or 'Scotch' as it says on the drawings. I was given the chunk of timber in the summer so I have screwed the plate and ring to it and attached some chain. Once I had sorted out the right length, I bent up another ring from 5/16" steel and attached that to the other end. I mounted a hook on the body and hun g the ring on it. The scotch can now be pulled out when needed and is readily available when hung on the hook. One more job ticked off on the way to finishing the beast! Steve
  17. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    At long last, I have bitten the bullet and sorted out the fuel tank. My biggest concern with re-soldering it has been the possible presence of petrol /air mix in the tank going bang when I bring the torch near it. To avoid that, I have simply left the tank open to the atmosphere for six weeks after draining down and then started the exercise by poking my dust extractor hose inside and running for half an hour. Seems to have worked! The next concern was that there might be liquid fuel between the two end skins so I drilled the outer and filled it with water using a funnel. I tapped one of the holes 5BA and inserted a screw. Then it was simply a case of warming the joint up whilst pulling the screw. Once the corner lifted I worked my way around with a pair of screwdrivers just lifting it until it parted company. The water beneath was hot! There was a gap in the seam right underneath the point where the petrol was coning out of the outer skin joint. I think that this was my fault by being a bit heavy handed whilst tinning so that I squeezed the rivets up without the joint being fully closed. Soldering the end cover had allowed the solder to run out of the joint underneath. Interestingly, it did show some signs of the sealing material running through. The sealer, unfortunately would prevent the solder from re-running so I removed three rivets, un-soldered the joint and spread it with a screwdriver so that I could clean the surfaces with a thin file. Once that was done, I pushed solder-paint into the joint and put 5BA bolts through it before warming it up. I then heated the joint with the torch and kept tightening the bolts to squeeze the solder out. This proved successful so that once it had cooled, I removed the bolts and replaced them with rivets before re-running the solder around the rivet heads. I set the tank on end and filled it to the filler neck before leaving it overnight. It wasn't leaking this morning so I cleaned up the outer skin and sealed up the holes with rivets. before re-fitting it. I just painted the joint with Baker's fluid and warmed it gently, working around the joint with a stick of solder. The lumps of metal were there simply as weights to hold it down. A good clean-up with a flap wheel and it is all ready for the paint shop. You may recall that Father had a devil of a job painting it last time as the paint kept reacting with something. I am told that the problem was flux and that the surfaces must be washed with something caustic this time. Steve
  18. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Ah yes but having wheels does make it easier!
  19. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    Thanks for the warning! What is the chemistry going on in there? I wouldn't have thought a sugar solution was very aggressive at all. It works though! Steve
  20. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    Father has been trying out a new rust removal techniqued recommended to us by our antipodean friends and that is by using molasses. You may remember Father picking up the original lamp brackets complete with lamps. He removed the lamps and dropped the brackets into a plastic dustbin containing a 1:7 solution of Molasses in water and has left them for a fortnight. They could be seen to fizz gently and developed a scum on the top in the shape of the brackets. When he pulled them out and hosed them off, rather remarkably, they were bright but went almost instantly ginger with rust. The threads cleaned up very well. A few seconds with a wire brush and they looked like this. They are now in the paint shop to stop the rust forming again. Father was so impressed that he has picked out the sidelamp brackets that we found at the weekend and they are getting the same treatment. Something we have been puzzling over is the best way to clean up the chains. This now looks to be the ideal way as it doesn't involve getting sand everywhere so once the brackets are out, it will be time to put them in. We will keep you posted. Steve
  21. Old Bill

    WW1 Peerless lorry restoration

    We were fortunate to be down in Devon over the weekend and whilst still concentrating on finishing the Thornycroft, thoughts are beginning to turn to the Peerless. We want to start by getting the engine out and going right through it. This we can do with the space that we have without putting anything into storage so we decided to take the sheet off and have a look at what we have got. We put the lorry ito Father's car-port about twenty years ago and packed all of the spares around it before sheeting it down. Tim started pulling bits out and we are amazed at what we have. One forgets after so long! We had turned the wheels onto a hard lock to improve access to the back door of the house so the next task was to straighten them up. The steering had seized completely so I disconnected the drag link. Still no movement until I realised that it had sunk into the tarmac by an inch! I jacked it and we put boards under the wheels whereupon they straightened easily and revolved freely as well. After doing the same for the back, we rolled it back six feet to give us some acces for removing the engine. Exciting times! Steve
  22. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Good thinking! Thanks for the reminder. I went down South this weekend and took the headboard for painting and the sump for fitting. I cleaned both surfaces and then applied a liberal coating of Loctite liquid gasket. I then fitted the patch and screwed it partially down until sealant came out all round. I left it for the rest of the day and then nipped up the screws on final assembly. It went down well and I am pleased. Proof of the pudding now! Then fitted up the new gaskets with grease. This shot, taken whilst I was on my back, was just before the second fitting. We had fully bolted the sump up before remembering that the oil level float needed to be fitted first! You can see it on the LHS of the pic. Oil pump re-fitted and starting handle in place again. Just need to sort the tank out and we can have another outing. Dad has finished off the tin carriers. They were held in place by the lifting table which was ideal for this. It is amazing, however, how long it takes to drill just five holes in the right place. Success! Both carriers fitted and our thoughts then turned to the Peerless. Something for tomorrow..... Steve
  23. Thanks for the update. It is looking really nice! Someone here will be able to answer your questions for sure. Good luck with them! Steve
  24. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Well, possibly but after the amount of effort we put into making this one, I don't want to give up yet! Sorry it has been a bit quiet recently. I have spent a weekend playing with Sentinel Steam Waggons followed by a week house- sitting for a mate. I did have one exciting moment with the Sentinel when, whilst I was lighting up with a paraffin soaked rag, I suffered a blow-back and was momentarily engulfed in a red fireball. I was fortunate to get away with it as I was wearing gloves, flat hat and cotton boilersuit and I even have most of my eyebrows! Bit of a shock though. Getting into practice for fuel tank soldering. Dad has been busy though, pressing on with the petrol tin carriers. I drew up the woodwork and Big Mark kindly made them up for us, much squarer and more quickly than I would have done. Straight into the paint shop. One end bolts to a cross-member and the other to a piece of steel angle bolted up through the floor. Dad found some oddments and cut these. There is a thin wrapper plate which goes underneath and up the ends. It is a 4 1/2" wide strip bent into a 'U'. I did a detail drawing and these came back. I still can't see how he mis-read the drawing but never mind. Dad has reworked them and only you will know. Then it was onto the locking bar. This would probably have been a bit of blacksmiths work but fabrication suited us better. Dad is into silver solder as well! He then drilled the woodwork to mount them, fortunately realising that they are handed which is a point that I hadn't spotted. Laid out for the catches. They are now complete and in the paint shop. We plan to hang them, along with the sump, the next time I am in Devon. We are very close to the end now with only the headboard to paint and install and the toolbox to make up. Once the tank is sorted, we should be operational. Fingers are crossed! Steve
  25. Old Bill

    WW1 Thornycroft restoration

    Thanks for that Hedd. I will think on that one. In the mean time, I have heard back from the Slosh people. Unfortunately, it is not possible to re-coat the inside of the tank as the new coat will react with the first and won't seal. They have suggested using an epoxy putty on the outside but that will leave an unsightly lump which I don't want. Can anyone offer any more thoughts please? Steve
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