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1 hour ago, Redherring said:

Ahhh... sorry to mislead you, but having reread the hieroglyphics and spun it over in my head... it actually reads "3 cylinder" experimental engine. Wonder what that was?

 

That would be a new parts list. Crank, cam and block.

5 hours ago, Redherring said:

I too did a search for No. 19774 in the Leyland parts book #3, but unfortunately No.'s 19150 to 19999 are blank with the term "reserved" in the margin - a new project?  The only thing that can be said is that the numbering either side of the missing series suggests these were parts designed in mid 1917.  There are more numbers with descriptions missing scattered down the pages... including from 20015 to 20059 with the note "3Gl(?) Experimental Engine".  It seems filing, or non-filing in our case, of consecutive numbers for a project was a tricky process before the age of computers.

5 hours ago, Redherring said:

I too did a search for No. 19774 in the Leyland parts book #3, but unfortunately No.'s 19150 to 19999 are blank with the term "reserved" in the margin - a new project?  The only thing that can be said is that the numbering either side of the missing series suggests these were parts designed in mid 1917.  There are more numbers with descriptions missing scattered down the pages... including from 20015 to 20059 with the note "3Gl(?) Experimental Engine".  It seems filing, or non-filing in our case, of consecutive numbers for a project was a tricky process before the age of computers.

Sandy; Those numbers on that form of plate are a serial number for that item; ie a complete gearbox. back axle etc. just like a chassis number.  I wonder what the 3Gl engine was and what parts were different to those otherwise used  on other engines.

 Does it give a date for the 3Gl?

 Doug

Thanks Mammoth for clearing those points. 

 Is the rear hubs on your C like these?

 Doug

On 4/2/2020 at 9:00 PM, mammoth said:

The tags like the one pictured are all over Leylands of this period and they are generally the part No which were allocated sequentially from around 1906. The parts list which I have printed off so far don't cover this number which could be used as a cross reference. The engine No is on a squarish brass plate midway on the right side of the crankcase and includes build date.

I take it the list you have has a cross reference between these unit parts plates allocated to individual vehicles and part numbers. Does that list extend out to chassis numbers with the numbers of the component unit parts used. That would be very handy in dating  parts  picked up ie gearboxes and axles.

 Doug

ID plates 

On 4/2/2020 at 11:08 PM, Scrunt & Farthing said:

Thanks mammoth and nz2.  I just checked in the location mammoth advised, and there are four small brass screws - and no plate... on either crankcase!

The more I investigate the more I learn or surmise what is missing, or has been removed to restore other units.  Tis the nature of the game I suppose, and providing one has time, money and beer there is not much I can do fretting about it.   Now the V5 does have a number, I shall check that later when in the attic room.

Cheers all,

Dave

Dave, Can you clean up that ID plate. That would give us a clue to where it came from. The symbol at the top is strange, for normally it is the first letters of the part. BA for back axle, FA for front axle. GB for gear box , GC  for gate change. 

On 4/1/2020 at 7:24 AM, Scrunt & Farthing said:

Hi NZ2,

I have been carefully bagging and recording everything that came with my project, and have just recorded the engine unit number:Now, this is the number off of the main engines (remains thereof), the other skellington (sic) does not have a number that I have found - as of yet.   I still need to get the chassis serial number and have not forgotten.

Cheers

Dave (S&F)

 Where was this plate on the engine as it is of a different size to the other plates seen. This is like one for a back axle, gearbox  housing or even the gear shift.

 Doug 

As you are cleaning down the engine  can you check if there any stamped marks that link back to an engine number. I'm thinking of identifying engines that have had the brass ID removed. 

20 hours ago, Scrunt & Farthing said:

I am equally convinced that the number of tools, of the same size, shape and form is directly proportional to the number of sheds you have.  It is a truism that a tool will always be hiding in a different shed to the one you are actually in, and where the tool is needed.  It thus follows that you must acquire more tools of the same size/shape/form to counteract this effect.  But there lies folly - it  only exacerbates the phenomenon.  The adjustable spanner is like cooking lager (or Fosters as it badged locally) - whilst unpalatable, it serves a purpose.

I may christen this law "Scrunt & Fathings' Law of Walking Back and Forth betwixt sheds"

Dave(S&F)

Absolutely correct. Add to that tool boxes on tractors and plant  and still when you need a particular tool, it's not there. The wander about  checking tool storage in different sheds  storing gear can be gainful often finding the item you were looking for a few days ago. 

For lifting into place the rear springs, can the engine lifter  fit into the confined space  available?

Doug 

Attached is a photo showing the location of  chassis  and production numbers stamped on to the front cross member. In the centre of the cross member  and to the left of the image ( not shown) is the model number stamped. In this case it is a GH4

Some times a replacement cross member has been installed and an ex War Dept part has been used. The number on that is much larger and stamped along the flat top surface.

Doug

Welcome to "Leyland Restorers Club" Not many of us . I like your intro, and the time frames you work to. It is like that here at home ( in New Zealand ), there always seems to be other items that need attention or repair, or work about the orchard where seasons and climate are key factors.

As others from Australia have pointed out there were plenty of Leylands in use on this side of the world and many survived into latter use as trailers or with chopped chassis and the engines then driving sawmills , pumps and similar industrial plant. Latter life again was towards the scrap man so locating parts now is a challenge. 

The Leyland  collection here is mainly model C and A types, an RAF  and now members of the zoo models . The collection of parts is slow but  important in being able to gather enough up to warrant each rebuild. There is sufficient variation over the years in parts and models that an easy interchange is not always possible.

What is the chassis number of yours ?( Front cross member,  centre  on curve )

 Doug

Delightful!

 Can you post a few photos of the joins in the woodwork and the type of joining patterns used.

 Doug

Where is the location of the stamped number you have shown? Are there any numbers on the front of the chassis , left hand side above the front spring mount?

Chassis number will give a link. Post a photo to help us identify what model you wish to have identified.

 Doug

Did you locate a second book which had the Thornycroft material? I've searched their index and not found it.

 Doug

This is most unfortunate to happen to the photos. The entire restoration story as an archive has been compromised and no longer are the technical aspects of the photos clear to show the progressive stages of work. 

 I question if this is occurring to other restoration stories using HMVF?

 Doug   

Delightful !  I assume you have made a full set of plans taken from the old body. It would be interesting to know how they compare with other bodies of the time. What variations occurred over the years?

 Doug

9 hours ago, Radek said:

I have sended any pictures via messenger to Karl W.

Thank you.

13 hours ago, Radek said:

I have a couple of soyers

https://www.facebook.com/radek.marcin.5/media_set?set=a.828250147210099&type=3

Radek;  My son has shown me your Facebook page photos. A superb selection of a cooking camp site. The three different sizes of the stoves are interesting and show the varied uses they can be put to. Can you measure up the sizes and draw a plan of them. I would like to make one, or one of each size..

 Doug

I been thinking of the same concept as well making up a field kitchen on wooden wheels as per our WW1 interests. That Soyer unit looks simple in design to construct a replica. Perhaps a commercially made large pot for the inside as the start for all measurements then outwards.

 The references given are helpful but not dimensions are there. 

 Almost the size of a milk can from years ago 

Doug 

It is those small safety factors that are important to those travelling in the vehicle. Placing the blanket under the seat could be troublesome if there are a number of people in the cab and accessing the blanket could be delayed. If positioned elsewhere it becomes too visible and outside of the realm of authenticity. Like having a modern fire extinguisher on board, where does it go for ease of access, yet not destroy the originality of the vehicle.

 Doug W

Some letters could be that of an assembler or an inspection check as some axles have more than one type of stamp and size. Doug

Thank you for the images. Are there any other stampings about the curved sections to the sides of that face?. I have found marks there. Still somewhat muddling and confusing as to working out any sequence to fit chassis number, dates or what. The more data collected up, the greater the chance of being able to piece some link together.

 Doug

Now with a clean chassis can yo check for any numbers and letters stamped about the top of the King pins.  I have been recording these and trying to relate the sequence of stampings to chassis numbers and years.  The idea being to assist in dating individual front axles that survived as trailers.

 Doug