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The vehicle chassis number should also be on a brass plate attached to the scuttle and visible from the passenger seat.  However some have been found to not match, that would indicate a rebuild at some point in time of the vehicle history. It could be a more recent restoration of pieces , or an older rebuild after an accident, with replacement used parts installed. Leyland were also very good at labelling the separate major parts  each having a plate describing the part ( abreiviated) and a serial number. The interchangeability of parts in service means swaps of parts took place to keep a vehicle going. 

 Doug

20 hours ago, mammoth said:

Back issues of Leyland Journal and Torque are still available from Leyland Society. People put a lot of effort into research and publications so there is an unstated expectation that you join and play a part,. As they say nowt for nowt, the more so as you are a commercial operation.

 

Image from web of model, chassis No and order number location, and they are often as feint as this. Sometimes they are on the near side rather than in the centre.

 Recognised that photo and those numbers. It's one of  the Leylands here in Karl's collection. That has been sent to a few people to assist in locating the stamped numbers.

What work are you doing to get it road worthy?

There will be a series of numbers about 10mm high stamped along the flat just in from the curved edge  from the centre of the cross member then off to the near side . Above the centre hole  will be stamped  the model  type,  then the chassis number  followed by a sales number.

 If there is a large stamped number ( about 25mm high) centrally along the horizontal flat of the cross member that is a military part number and indicates a replacement part has been used. However that does not mean military service as old stock was used  after the war. 

The chassis number  will show if it was built for the War Dept. Lets know the numbers you find.

Most Leylands went to the Royal Flying Corp to be known as tenders, with only a small number being otherwise allocated to civilian use. 

 The wheels on the lorry are a latter conversion as were commonly changed to legally allow for a greater road speed in the 1920's.

 Doug 

A thought as to the radiator baffle; When an engine is working very hot there is a danger when checking the water level.  Hot water can splash up through the filler cap opening. The baffle would redirect water reducing this splashing.  A second point could be as an indicator as to how fill a radiator should be. 

A check on two radiators here show no triangular baffle but a circular shaped additional casting positioned vertically  instead.

 Doug

Another photo please, square on

 Doug

Can you clean up those casting marks as one appears to be the letters JAC.  If so it is a foundry name.

 I have JAC marks on some Thornycroft parts and have found the initals on other castings of the time. 

 Doug

Do any of the gears or shafts from the latter gear boxes measure up to be the same size as needed?

What was the procedure with applying paint to the canvas. Is the yellow paint a sealer only ? 

I recall making canvas covered canoes all those years ago and sealing the canvas with linseed oil before applying the various paint layers. The weight of the canoe increased greatly due to the addition of the paint.  

 I was expecting that I would follow a similar line to that used years ago, come the day when a roof is ready here. One day...

 Doug

On 5/12/2020 at 3:52 AM, Scrunt & Farthing said:

Ah Andy, now there is a nice switch.  It looks like it is the same as fitted in this picture:

If you zoom into the dashboard you can see the switch is in some kind of frame or mount... and oddly telling the same time!

Per your question, yes that would be very useful and as Zero-Five-Two has rightly mentioned I do not want to push my luck... or perhaps I have.

 

 

The shape of that scuttle suggests the chassis is for a charabanc body.

 Doug

7 hours ago, Scrunt & Farthing said:

Duncan,

Thinking about your engine size deliberations I am minded to copy this chart onto the forum which list the engine v capacities from 1927 onward (i.e. about the age of your engine).  It shows both lorry and passenger vehicles.  PM me if you want a better resolution copy or the .pdf.

Dave

Can I get a PDF copy please . Some where in a box is data sheets like this. Trouble locating what file box. Probably mis-filed in a different box.

On 5/4/2020 at 4:58 AM, Richard Peskett said:

Whilst on the subject of 'RAF type ' Leylands  both Commercial Motor  and Motor Transport carried superb  art drawn colour advertisement covers  on their special issues. This RAF type found its way to the Middle East by the look of it .

Richard Peskett.

Delightful art work. Five years after the end of The Great War, but a shorter time frame for Middle East conflicts. To me this illustrates the influence of the British occupation, with lorries of the time still in use. The driver  judging by his clothing appears to be a local, so again indicating a further acceptance of the transport.

 From this however comes more questions. At the end of hostilities were lorries  sold off in Egypt to local companies or to British firms operating contracts for the army, and other industries.

 A suitable title for the artwork. " The supply line continues using Leyland Lorries"

 Doug

A few more complete Leylands in NZ.

A GH2 of 1926 showing the local adaptations. Different front wheels and a hoist for the deck.

Chassis 5950 of 1916 as arrived at home. RAF type. Not complete as per the others, but mechanically all there.

Still looking for a suitable radiator. The correct disc front wheels are now waiting to be placed on. 

More NZ Leylands in collections.

This Leyland Cub was converted as a rail inspection vehicle in 1934 for use by the General Manager of New Zealand Railways.

It has a jack centrally mounted allowing it to be raised off the track and the vehicle turned around.

Latter the body was covered to a overhead line inspection  format. How it remains today. 

On the theme of inspection, this Leyland served the Auckland Tramway board. Built 1924.  

Leyland N.Z.

Chassis 1385;  S583 Dated 1913 The radiator has since been replaced with a copy of the Mill's Leyland radiator.

Chassis 15151. Dated 1923  Gisborne Museum. Waiting in turn for restoration. 

Chassis 36018;  Southward' Car Museum 

From New Zealand. 

Complete vehicles. Starting with Leyland.

Original 1912 . One family ownership since new.  Chassis number 718. 

 Geraldine  museum rebuilt cab  otherwise it was a complete vehicle. Dated 1919. Chassis no. 9481 

Leyland number 18173. Dated 1923.  In my son's collection. Has wrong wheels on the front.

23 hours ago, Old Bill said:

Hi Andy.

I have just had a quick look through my list of pre-1920 lorries in UK and have come up with:

AEC 6

Albion 6

Dennis 3

Leyland 7

Thornycroft 14

This is by no means definitive as it has been created be me writing them down when I see them or know of them. I think I will have to sit down with Tim to try to put together a more comprehensive list. Come to think of it, your brother's Leyland isn't on there so it is time it got an update! The numbers are not big, however.

Steve  

Is that list showing only operational vehicles, and or those under restoration? Does it include museum display lorries?

Also, visible on the inner reflector plate is the patent number, (refering to the rather natty spring catch) followed by an abbreviated date, in this case 1915, which happens to be the year of the truck. (The two sidelights  are 1916 and 1917 respectively.)

That date of 1915 may not be a manufacturing date, but a date of lodging the patent.  Nice to see the photos of the lights ready for installation.

Doug

 Yes; NZ plates on the ute and trailer. Nice to see another Thornycroft off for a rebuild.

Doug 

Is the RAF Leyland also part of the family treasures?

It is interesting to note the diversity some of us have in our collections. I too have some rollers, with a Barford & Perkins sitting waiting for another  space of time for more work on restoration That carries the ID JJ105. Others wait in line like so many other projects whether it be for parts, time or money . Aveling & Porter steam roller  11688 is fully operational and is a joy to get out on. 

While you are taking covers off, what is the roller. any chance of some photos?

 Doug

For those difficult bits what about a wax pattern.

 Doug

On 4/8/2020 at 7:59 AM, Scrunt & Farthing said:

I thought it may be of use to load here the sectional parts list I have for the SQ2.

Whilst some of it it SQ specific, there must be much, for example Engine and Gearbox and back axle that are, inter alia of interest to other Leyland Lorry and Bus botherers.  I believe these books are pretty scarce based on my researches.  They might also make a nice present for a wife or girlfriend if suitably bound.

The SPL is in five parts, the parts are sequential but do not follow natural section breaks, only when I got bored feeding the scanner.

 

 

 

SQ2 PL PART 1.pdf 2.06 MB · 11 downloads SQ2 PL PART 2.pdf 1.35 MB · 3 downloads SQ2 PL PART 3.pdf 741.77 kB · 3 downloads SQ2 PL PART 4.pdf 839.51 kB · 2 downloads SQ2 PL PART 5.pdf 617.18 kB · 5 downloads

Thank you for posting these parts catalogues. It would be nice to work through and compare with other catalogues to find what parts didn't change over the years. I wonder if any parts are in common with the earliest petrol lorries or even the steamers. Thats excluding nuts and bolts. Another  wet day activity.

 Doug

Those additional stamped marks is something I had not observed on the parts here. Then again the plates have not been cleaned up so those lighter stampings will be hidden under years of dust and grit.  Another task therefore to go out and clean vehicles ID plates and record the inspection stamps. Like Mammoth says, probably inspectors stamps. What is now called QA

This query on the plates has caused me to look over the items in storage, and photos of those elsewhere,  and up date the Leyland data base to include more of the plates as used on assembled parts. Shows some vehicles have had swaps of engines, gearboxes, rear axles etc, as these are way out of order  to what should have been a sequence. 

.Doug