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Churchill's Spy Files by Nigel West.

"Leakages"  picked up by listeners in pubs etc.     Fines typical for the working class  abt.  £50  (they didn't like to jail women)   for a doctor (they didn't like to jail doctors)  - he got £75.   Others got months of hard labour.   In many parts of the UK - you could buy a house for  £75

On 1/18/2022 at 6:01 AM, Ron said:

Mike I've just taken some close ups of mine. The complete top is soldered on, the solder is dripping down from the joint. There is a definite ridge where the cap was with no sign of a repeat pressing as the other three corners and no sign of solder. So it's my guess that the cap was just pressed in..... I'd like to think that the lads and lasses that were soldering thousands of these, were doing them before they were filled. 

I have a friend overseas who has an unopened (still full of fuel) Flimsy. here is the cap, and some that were found abandoned in the desert. 

I'd say a tool like a bayonet would be ideal to rip the cap out and puncture the opposite corner. Ron

For that purpose a bayonet would be fine by me - but it would have to be one made of 'non-sparking' such as brass or bronze.

So - they were little better than a Golden Syrup tin lid - no wonder the % loss was so high.    Quantity of fuel/shape volume would be a little better than a Jerrycan. 

21 hours ago, Ron said:

Yes ruxy the cap was like a ring pull. I thought the cap was crimped somehow, but I've been told that they were soldered on. It would be interesting to know for sure though. 

I've also read that there was an average percent of lost fuel per mile during transit by lorries due to how easily they got damaged.. I think it was something like 1% per mile?    Ron 

The cap / seal has always been a mystery to me, solder would be as good as the rest of the can - don't know how it would be possible without some heat being near - with container full of petrol  ?

Also - as you show , it would not always be possible to empty the can , hardly sound to leave with some petrol in ,  possibly it was these dregs poured on a chopped flimsy filled with sand for a brew-up ?

Last year I failed to get this can positively identified , the cap may/may not be original  ?     Reading this Jan 2022 thread - I need to take a better look at end of handle etc. for any other marks.

         Ron  , I have seen WW2 photographs of flimsy , such as re-fueling aircraft in North Africa desert so aware of the shape/size - can you explain how the hole was sealed - was it some sort of rip-off cap that was then disposed of  ?

The break-away plate with two loops - to attach dog-clip  ?    IIRC that was introduced abt. Y2k , I have one to fit on my 90" but not got around to it .  You do need a proper backing plate - large form flat washers are no use - seen them pulled through rear X members.

        For the hitch 'project' I have a civvy  Defender drop-plate (somewhere in garage , I shot-blast it , red-oxide primed ++ grey primer then never continued) for 50mm ball , the pressed dish plate that bolts under X member and has two RSA braces back to chassis - this will be a addition to NATO hitch , don't see why a Britpart / Bearmach £cheap Series drop-plate can't be used , decided to go for proper one as chassis is ready to take the additional braces.

By the box or loose  £ cheap  ,  this firm of specialist should have aor be able to obtain.

https://sunderland-enterprise-park.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/thomas-potter--sunderland--ltd-16620983.html

btw  -  BZP is a rubbish finish - few microns of zinc ,   sheradized is far superior.

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/screw-5-16-unf-x-5-8-countersunk-sf605051.html

Does not state slotted but probably is , rather than Pozidrive , Phillips  etc.

Plenty of industrial suppliers will have Unbrako quality in hex. or softer in Torx.

But you want slotted.

Try other Classic car suppliers ,  IIRC slotted in this size was a fav. door hinge size.

Remembered , near the Scotswood bridge  -  Gill Land Rover Services , he also had two or three LWT in stock. His wife ran a LR spares shop on Blaydon High Street.  Only other would be a garage at Fourstones/Newborough - I think he still trades used LR.

CU  (of  UCU)  -  seems to be Newcastle-upon-Tyne ,  can think of only a few possibility of LR dealers ,  Jacksons @ Morpeth,  or more probably a firm next to Fearless Rubber Co.  north bank of Tyne  , just east of Scotswood bridge  (need to think of name).  Slim possibility of  NEM  North Eastern Motors up river at Lemington or Albany Motors , Gateshead side of Tyne just east of Tyne Bridge.

Or - a Geordie privateer.

RAF Catterick - east side of A1   ,   Army Garrison - west side of A1

I used to get into few area inc. the RAF -  it was very quiet 1978 to 81  , don't even recall aircraft landing. In the main RAF Regiment ,  fire training area at south end.

1981 disposal , bit early for CMA (Maltby) Nr. Stockton-on-Tees or  CMA  John O'Gaunt , Leeds - so I suppose it was auctioned by  IIRC  Walker Watson Hanson auctioneers of Nottingham who organised the vehicle disposals at Ordnance & Storage Depot Ruddington.   Possibly perusal of the MOD sales catalogues from April 1981 , may give you a little lead.  ISTR the auctions were every two months over 3or4 days), I would probably have been there, unfortunately I gave a stack of my Cat. away.  Other than £ - nothing much to gain.

From the civvy  VRM , you should be able to determine the town/area of first registration - then a educated guess as to the dealer who purchased (in those days there were not so many private buyers of LWT )  actually the visitors car park was always packed & more interesting than the MOD parc firme.  Some dealers will still have sales records that may lead to first civilian owner  ?

8 hours ago, Cashvan said:

My plan is to restore it to its second life condition as it would be a shame to loose its individuality,

 

It is extremely rotten everywhere and has been sat in a hedge since 1988, would I be right in thinking that an FFR would have been 24 volt electrics?

Notice the large warning plate -  Rectified  AC  System , that would only be fitted to a FFR having 24 volt genny.  The only exception would be a few Non-FFR  24 volt used for helicopter start.   Just a few in 1974 , probably a few more on a loose Contract Item No.  finally the last S3 LWT manufactured  - these there  VRM (registration  --KD--

Also this plate refers to batteries , 24v had a pair of 12 volt starting batteries in series , located at centre seat position.  A FFR would as a radio shack have a URS  Kit  (a demountable radio station)  that could have batteries re-charged off LWT (later years by a Hopkins Genny, early years probably with a small Onan).

The Negative earth plate - is a standard civvy plate  No. 396116 ,  readily available but probably a vinyl printed repro.  I had difficulty obtaining a genuine anodized plate 2021,  I had stored a spare seatbase outside thinking all aluminium - can't harm, however it stayed a few years , the black stands up to sunlight , the red does not  !

The 396116 is a std. civvy plate for 12 volt , often on top of radiator panel,  LWT on seatbase.

The large black plate is normal position on a LWT.

There is quite a bit of variation on LWT plates over abt. 17 years of production (a good time-line dating feature).   The oblong nomenclature plate with the RN registration , if a bit of a special plate , generic with much info. stamped - was a standard plate on LWT from abt. 1980 to end of production , like the earlier 'main' plate on a RHD it would be on bulkhead to right of steering wheel.  I would not expect it Ex-Solihull on seatbase - however with RN LWT - normal 'rules'   don't apply , it does seem some were  'taken' from Army stock (may even have been a de-facto  CV).   Transit on aircraft carrier from such as Falklands - they could have been taken down on a lift to storage at back of a hangar (much was transshipped  at Ascension Island  and unfortunately lost on board the SS Atlantic Conveyor).  Who knows ?  they could have been official re-mustered from Army or RAF stock.  I don't think any blue livery  --RN-- were taken from Tri-service stock (from KA).   Most  RN blue livery  LWT  are strange with details and plating, the later RN plates are genuine - but were they affixed by Solihull SO Dept , they would not have gone down a line , possibly they were re-worked at such as Chatham Dockyards.   Some may have been brand new Ex-Works  ?   unfortunately the  RN  VRM numbers are re-cycled again and again &  RN have no records.   RM Museum have no records.   The  Royal Marine fleet on RN plates , a bit like  FAA helicopters in Green/Grey  DP livery - I understand £ financed by Army and aircrew can come from all three services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59898569

You have your work cut out with history search for RN.

https://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6577&p=111279&hilit=sickpup#p111279

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Shoreside  £-s-d  truck - I doubt it ,  Aircraft Carriers & possibly other large RN vessels had them in blue livery , if one had such a pay truck then they all would & there would be traces of evidence.

What's the plan - restore the tub bulkhead + bodyside etc. etc. etc. ?   & return to FFR  ?  I suppose the bonus is you don't need to buy a pintle !

Has sea atmosphere got to the chassis  ?

It is easy to tell a FAKE  LR  nomenclature plate = most are vinyl printed rather than anodized.

This plate always would be rare in TYPE  and number because it is for a  Non-FFR  90 A , produced in small batch often as a bolt-on Item No. to a Contract.     Not normal -  the  TRUCK UTILITY   4x4  90A  etc. info. is actually stamped using a generic , rather than a specific anodized plate  for Contract No. / Item No.

Among the S2A / Rover 1  and S3  Lightweights , there are more than several specific plates - this greatly aids the detection of rogues and ringers.

With a change to a new 'replacement' legal galvanized chassis - you can do nothing at all and remain legal , there are things you can do to maintain a little anti-theft security.

There are hundreds of LWT  "ringers" around in UK and abroad for a number of reasons.   The ideal is a check of documentation for root of title / legal beneficial ownership.  A detail check of the vehicle hardware can reveal much , over  abt. 18 years of production there were many subtle changes ,  due to much MOD and private bitsa parts replacements this just makes a survey a bit more time-consuming.

Seat base ID plates & bulkhead nomenclature plates  + VIN plates (if applicable) are very important.   Any of the above plates missing and I would walk , even if the truck was good and I was interested in purchase.  This is due to the fact that for self - having original plates is most important,  the £ valuation should be heavily knocked down if any missing.

It is a fact that many have had  fraudulent"historic" status for several years that did not deserve as too new (at the time).  Due to the 40 year rolling rule - many of these are falling legit in original identity.  The vast majority of these have sported a civilian LR ID plate of historic age , often S2A from a scrapper.   Providing the branded chassis No. was just heavily coated with paint / underseal - no great problem to wheel it out under own correct ID , if the original plates still to hand - all the better.   During years as "ringer" and if a MOT certificate was needed , the examiner is not polis - he just needs to see a chassis / identity VIN  (it can be on Dymo tape stuck anywhere) - he just needs to log a ID in his notebook and enter to gain correct access to the  DVSA mainframe.

Obviously the past 'ringer'  to save on £££ for road fund  VED will pass a higher £ valuation because if caught with a wrongful plate it should be crushed and in any case both the guilty & subsequent innocent purchasers insurance (if they have it) is void.

5 minutes ago, 64EK26 said:

I wonder why ... (hopefully it has gone to its rightful owner)

Looks like 59AM11 , Geof Fletcher, should have all the info on this

Cheers

Richard

 

There's a few possibilities but it's most strange - why was it pulled ?  is the rightful owner the legal paper beneficial owner or  'keeper' as in finders.  The LWT left Solihull as a  90A  Helicopter start version , quite rare for time-line , I don't know if the extra equipment was same as such trucks much later and in fact last of like KA  ,  the starters then seemed to be hardtop & SW door , however - I knew of a KA  90A and it seemed to have been always basic spec. with hood.

If it is a Mangrove , and it could quite well be.  Then possibly it is in somebody's back yard / garden in Adelaide / Port Adelaide area - just for starters.  

Paintwork looks just to pristine to be abandoned.

fesm_NDT  should be aware of Oz possibilities.

The National Archives and the 'alleged'  by author Martin Allen  FAKE files inserted.   I followed this and had grave doubts  50/50  , however the book concerned Martin Allen did have a late edition printed but it was done in north America - this included  an addendum where the author stated his views  - that IMHO could have veracity.  I had to import this edition, I think advantage Allen.   That being the case - was it Mi6 who loaded very poor quality fake docs. to more lay the blame on Allen , in any case he was expected to be prosecuted but it did not happen. 

                      I am aware of another book that is to be launched early 2022 by different author(s) ,  I am aware of the general drift but security presently is very tight.   I am thinking there is a possibility of new information with sound veracity that could support what Martin Allen had to say in his addendum.   This could also affect past/present staffing of the N.A.

                   However - as stated , as yet I am awaiting more details, the press was going to roll before X'mas 2021 ,  it seems as soon as the plates are set - there is a Stop Press.

I am well aware of corruption in high. gov. positions (and more so in local gov).   I have actually had a MP use  H of P  notepaper , as evidence against self in the County Court (my solicitor only gave me a copy for a surprise the day prior to the hearing  & I don't think my barrister was informed earlier.  It was a case of very late disclosure .   The judge determined there were other liars besides when they gave evidence under oath.

2016  & much scribe on HMVF  about burried tank(s)   ,  being  BANNED  from the National Archives , in person /on-line ??    then that is a serious matter.

Just a quick check on website of :-

The Local Government & Social Care  OMBUDSMAN

then they can do for 

Planning

Some housing issues

Social care

Some education and schools issues

Children’s services

Housing benefit

Council tax

Transport and highways

Environment and waste

Neighbour nuisance and antisocial behaviour

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Seems much scope for you to get your foot into the door of the NA ,  I believe a copy of the report (sort of a £ free barristers report)  will end up on your door-mat +  the door-mat of your own MP. 

Possibly it will also be shown here  ?    Then a few more may again take an interest into the possibility of WW2 tanks available for restoration ?

The C'sk head screws , identifiers = Pozidrive , so if you used a Phillips bit or screwdriver - you would cam-out.  IIRC - I use a Facom screwdriver with a hex. at handle & fit a spanner - so I put all my weight with two hands on driver & get assistant to turn the spanner acw.

The 'snap-rings'  may be a standard made by Anderton that you may be able to obtain at a bearing sales type place, they are more secure than a C type external circlip.

Again  NP , because DB consider their staff are the only ones competent., but the official nomenclature according to MOD Rover 10/11 Parts book  (earlier S2A parts book has no mention) is  RETAINING RING STEEL EXTERNAL  5/8"

The NSN  =   LV6MT1/5340-99-910-8192

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Your penultimate post here was requesting Part No. for  plate regarding trailer warning plate for voltage.  Yes there are 12 volt & 24 volt available & reason why a Defender FFR will be 12 volt.   You also mentioned the recent crash damage to rear X member ,  then you mention your pintle is seized.  DB 's attitude is - we give you a grease nipple , keep it primed and it will rotate OR corrosion set-in and we are never responsible for that.  THEREFOR I CONSIDER YOU HAVE CRASH-DAMAGE TO THE SPINDLE.  

DB have never wanted total strip-down , in fact they have never made the public aware of the check for wear (non-serviceable) to the top latch or swivel.   NP (non-provisioned parts) is the DB way of saying , we don't condone , if you have to go there "you are on your own).  PRODUCT LIABILITY INSURANCE - I don't believe DB have ever issued their damage assessment instructions / wear rejection criteria to the public. This is because trailers were being flipped long before the theory of "something must always rotate" instructions).     I understand that DB only supplied in red-oxide primer , and in recent years Defender/Wolf was leaving Solihull left in red-oxide (because they issued instructions for periodic NDT testing that is best done without any more paint than is basic necessity , however I am aware that DB have issued some guidance notes to the MOD , that they will not even reply to the general public.

These pintle have been made over /abt.  60 years , I have noticed just a odd detail difference other than markings.    + Mounting bolts to chassis for Defender did go down in dia. to 12mm from 1/2"

I doubt if these 1/4" screws have been metricated to 6mm , but I have not dismantled one off a truck dated later than 1980.

Chemical thread-lock has been around many years ,  certainly others have found these screws threadlocked.  If I applied then I would clean male threads with just a wire brush and a blunt tap on internal threads.

btw ,  go to Ex-MLRA Forum and Search on  words such as  stripping/dismantling NATO hitch/hook etc.   What you will find is others have found (as well as self) that these screws have been found secured with a threadlock  (and you have quite a selection).

The reason you have damaged the head is because they are  'safety critical' and are cemented (with a correct procedure) in with a Loctite thread lock.  You need to apply a little heat to soften before screwing out.

Dixon Bate - may supply ? but I doubt it because they don't like them being removed, likewise I don't think Land Rover have ever supplied.

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I can't find a FV  No. most of the pintle other components do have.

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However the NSN  (NATO stock No. is  -  G1/5305-99-941-1751)  so search on that also check with  The XMOD  - up Scotland Borders -  IIRC Peebles (must be on your travels).

Details are  :-

Screw Machine  UNF thread ,  steel , flat, CSK (countersink)  Head , Slot-drive ,  zinc-coated  ,  1/4" x 7/8" lg.