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I remember this blowing up about 5 or 6 years ago.

I've just had a look on the British Red Cross website, the wording below is taken from that site in the hope it will clarify their position:

"The emblem

The Red Cross and Red Crescent emblems - symbols of protection

The emblem of the red cross on a white background is the visible sign of protection under the Geneva Conventions, and as such, is the emblem of the medical services of the armed forces. In many countries with a predominantly Muslim population, a red crescent is used instead. Neither emblem has any religious significance.

Both emblems have two purposes. The first is to protect sick and wounded victims of war, and those authorised to care for them. The second is to indicate that the person or object on which the emblem is displayed is connected with the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.

The emblems must be trusted absolutely to signify neutrality and impartiality. That is why their unauthorised use is forbidden in international and national law.

If you suspect misuse of one of the emblems/names, or of similar designs/wording, please fill in the report misuse of the emblems form and its use will be investigated."

Is the key word here "UNAUTHORISED"? Perhaps this is what annoys them :dunno:

Why don't you email them and ask them if they would give authorisation for the use of the emblem on a restored vehicle?

If they say NO, I don't think much of their controls, as there are so many restored vehicles around with accurate emblems on :whistle:

A hint of slow, but positive, progress on Trench Maps -

The local WFA trench map man has found the maps we want, which are on the CD of maps mentioned a while back. But he has printer trouble , so has given them to his daughter to print in colour. Hopes to get them by end of week.

The 1917 area maps are really good quality examples of the breed, he says, but the 1918 ones are not in the same league. If I cannot scan them I'll get copies posted to whoever needs them - Rick W, Tony B, anyone else?

French memorial idea - if building a base plinth in knapped flint and red brick, this would be a multi - day construction job , whereas a stone can be "planted" direct into a concrete mulch. Just something to bear in mind.

currently have 165 PMs in my inbox :sweat:

 

Did you manage to get any pictures?

 

Kind regards.

 

Jack.

 

Posted some pics on Sunday. Looks like you had a good time in slightly better weather.

165 PMs - that's a lot of Tiger Tank enquiries! :whistle:

The problem I had was getting a reply at very short notice.

The only way to conatct 'the management' seemed to be to use the REPORT TO MODERATOR button or a PM. But with no posting as such to report, I used a PM.

If I'd thought a bit more :sweat: , I could have posted a reply on the topic, covering what I wanted to do, and then reported it to the mods.

Would this be the best solution, i.e. give mods the task of approving use of logo?

Is there a protocol covering the use of "HMVF" in the public eye by individual members?

I wanted to acknowledge the group on the flowers laid at Thetford memorial - I had to take a decision myself and went ahead and did it anyway, albeit a bit unsure, but I felt that at least those involved in Jackson's story would understand.

I hope nobody had any objection (its too late now anyway :whistle: ) but I did try to get some guidance beforehand.

Just thought some clarification / guidance on this topic might prevent problems arising in the future :dunno:

you could always take the paint to your nearest car paint stockist, if they are decent folk, ask them to put your paint tins in the 'agitator' which will mix them up (safer than the washing machine' ! :-)

Or take the tins for a long ride in the back of an empty GMC? :whistle:

Do you want me to explore the idea of a memorial in France further? I can try and find out what permissions we need and who to talk to.

 

That's a yes from me, but presume it will nned to be put to the Clubhouse Memorials sub-committee?

The material associated with Norfolk is FLINT, and with the Thetford area in particular, as the neolithic flint mines at Grimes Graves are only a few miles northwest of the town.

If you want a durable plinth out of flint, we could ask John Lord the flint knapping master from Thetford to knap some, to build whatever together with some Norfolk red bricks

There are some flints as big as a gmc wheel in interesting shapes too.

Sounds like the basis of a plan :-)

I was just thinking if that's the sort of thing you want, I might be able to source a 'free' stone through quarry connections, and "persuade" local masons at Diss to recess it for us as a gesture, they reburbed our village war memorial a while back.

Between us all we might be able to twist a few arms :dunno: An engraved gunmetal plate would look nice, big rivets around edge like a WW1 tank plate? Stop me now.

Tony B's suggestion is great, but what sort of memorial would you like to see?

You can have some of my electrics as an attachment if you want. :cry: Took 101 to Biggin Hill yesterday, wipers packed up! Guess when it decided to rain? :oops2: So back into the manual :rtfm:honestly it's like a plumbers nightmare under the dash. that and the :angry: :angry: rain keeps coming in and fusing things.

 

At least you didn't get JEEP WIPER ELBOW :whistle:

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This is my truck and yes there are real flowers and there is a point to them in the sense that beauty can come from death and destruction. Interesting enough I watched many people stop, and take photographs of them - it was meant to be symbolic, if it was read like this then I don't know but I am sure it wasn't lost on those who could understand the statement.

 

Really nice touch, very thoughtful :tup: :tup: :flower:

Gentlemen a suggestion has been made to me. If the original stone goes on loan to the

Norfolk museum. Why do we not seek permission to erect our own monument to him in the area? Apparently this can be done relatively easily. A cairn or some such with a plaque.

 

I was talking with Rosemary the Royal British Legion lady at Thetford who arranged all the ceremonial wreaths, she was quite insistent that the stone should stay local. Interesting how many people seem to have an instant view on this, with no hesitation.

Until we hear back from those on the list, which I hope will be soon, I do not think we should rush our decision.

But if it does stay, I would be happy to help create something for this suggestion.

Wotja got in mind ? Just one idea - I could possibly find up a nice large natural block of stone and get it recessed to take an engraved plate :dunno: Might need Jack's gmc to take the weight? :whistle:

Wording? In some ways the family wording on our stone might not be appropriate anyway if placed in France, so what should go on it? Chance to put some small wording on, like "erected by members of HMVF" or similar :dunno:

Oh yes, Regimental museum cannot find any photograph showing Jackson, apparently units were put together so quickly that group pictures were not always taken (which surprises me).

Thanks for those coments - I was worried that (due to my disorganisation) it was going to stand out as being different, and the point about the others being identical is that it is not a competition, but a chance to reinforce a common theme of Remebrence. Seems I got away with it!

(Point to remeber in case anyone asks me to organise anything :whistle: )

I thought the casting of Daniel Radcliffe was excellent as he sticks in everyones mind as a very young man which emphasised the inexperience and youth of so many of those poor souls

 

Yes, very good point. I caught the tail end of it after a very long drive to Preston for work last night - well worth catching a repeat I would think. Really makes you think.....

I laid a "sort-of-a-wreath" at Thetford War Memorial today, for them all of course, but particularly with Jackson in mind.

Having said I would do this, I left it too late to organise a wreath proper, and the best I could do late yesterday was a bunch of red roses :sweat:

These had to go in a vase, (not glass), so I found a black plastic container. This didn't look right, so a short length of Mrs Hardyferret's 'safety wire' was used to give it a bit of a WW1 feel. I then got worried that it was all a bit over the top and not appropriate :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

Thought I'd do a quiet placement this morning, but the Thetford service was a large affair (some 26 wreaths laid during the service, from a wide range of groups). The weather up to the Silence was awful, but then the skies cleared. Luckily there was a little space left for private wreaths, and I managed to place it right under Jackson's inscription.

To my surprise it was very well received and got lots of favourable comments, note also the stunning silver dried flower cross which also received admiration - this was laid by a young man who promptly disappeared :dunno:

All in all a moving experience (my first Armistice Day service), well attended by the public.

I trust you approve of the wording on our "wreath".

Fred Wedlock :-) - he used to play at our college sometimes (late 70's), I have his records somewhere. Is he still performing? I'm sometimes to be caught singing 'Bristol Buses' when I think no one's looking :blush:

Bedford M series, did you know that the tracta seal on those, is the same as the QL and RL?

 

I'd have guessed RL, but certainly not QL! In that case it would not surprise me if GMC was same size - will check as I think I have a set of each.

Bedford tracta seals have been readily available and very cheap, so no incentive to look elsewhere, but they do not give much trouble.

In extreme cases of non-availability, there's a very good rubber company at Norwich who will produce tooling reasonably cheaply for small runs of obselete rubber or bonded metal/rubber seal components, just a case of enough desperate people pooling together :-D Been thinking about the engine - gearbox coupling spiders for Scammells, getting rare now.

In respect of Tracta seals for the Ferret, these are not a common standard seal as the lip bears on a spherical surface. They were a specific design for that application.

Yep, never been able to get these from anyone other than axle manufacturer / vehicle parts agent. But they must be made by someone - who I wonder? :dunno:

It was tragic to lose the plane when they were so close after investing so much time and money . I know they were trying to beat the weather but now its gone forever :cry:

 

Yep, but I believe thay were planning to return, to salvage the engines before the ice melted and she went down :dunno:

Does anyone know if this documentary is available on dvd?

The nearest I have is WW2 Phillips British Heavy Infantry bicycle, but I don't think that really counts!

 

Oh, yes, it counts all right, you don't know how much it counts - just watch this space.......... :whistle:

Welcome!

 

Thats the other annoying part of oil seals on Ferret - they are almost certainly standard items available on the civi market but no one has ever posted up a definitive part number conversion list to enable us to order them direct from the places the dealers buy them from - you could always try yourself of course :whistle:. if you have a seal stockist near you

 

For what it's worth, I've never ordered a shaft seal by part number from a seal specialist.

All they need is O.D., I.D. and thickness, also helps to give them application (Thickness is not critical, sometimes you have to use a thinner one if original size is not available - older ones tended to be extra thick!). Quite often you have the option of rubber-coated O.D. face. Also very, very thin shaft wear sleeves are available for where shaft surface is too badly scored.

With regard to application, e.g. hub seals, leather ones are not always available nowadays, you have a choice of standard neoprene shaft seal or nothing. Most larger hubs (older lorry and bigger plant) use these, we've never had any trouble. Can't comment on modern truck hubs, no experience.

I've no idea what genuine Ferret seals are like - some OEM seals I've used recently have been very hard thin almost metallic material, but again we've also used standard neoprene in the same application in the past (wheel loader reduction hubs) with no probs.

Seals seem to priced such that if you buy 10 or 20 plus, the cost per seal is a fraction of buying one or two, so buying a couple from a seal supplier would not necessarily be any cheaper than sourcing from one of the specialsist MV parts people you mention.

Hope this is of help.

Hi Mrs HF,

it was intended to demolish the garage, but later than planned due to a preservation order on some trees :lipsrsealed: of course as Jack will tell you real men do not use brakes, to save wear and tear you just stick your foot out and pray.

 

Ashley

 

Only in the jeep do I have the problem of frequently forgetting to put in neutral after stopping, result is a lurch forward as the engine stalls when you jump out. If you ever see a John Wayne war movie, he always does that too - as I'm forever telling bystanders :whistle:

I'm trying hard not to get drawn into this WW1 thing, but I've just learned that of the 25 who went off to the war from our village (at that time about 30-35 houses), 8 died and -

one of those died on the 11th November 1918..........

Apparently of the soldiers who died on this day, a considerable number had succumbed to influenza.

Where are we at?

We've had a letter from Royal Norfolk Regiment Association, reporting back after their museum trustees meeting. In it they suggest -

"There would be real merit in using the stone as a starting point for a school's project linked to the Remembrance theme. Thereafter the stone and the resulting display would be a useful addition to the regimental museum or another museum local to Thetford. It could easily be made portable for use as part of some temporary military display especially as part of any school project linked to the First World War."

Trench Maps - A local WFA member experienced in the art of trench maps is going to do a search over the weekend to see what is available in our areas of interest. He has the trench map CDs as well as WFA database.