fv1609

Clive,

 

I am now going for the Soviet forces, possibly in the 1950's, my clues here, are 89 RL Regt equipped with 24 x 132mm rocket launchers and 90 MC Regt which had 23 x "Samson tanks". This could be a NATO designation as I can find no reference to it, the only Samson that I know, is the CVR(T) ARV, and this is not it!

 

The size of these Corps also leads me to look towards the East.

 

Am I getting warm, Clive?

Sort of, could be, but not necessarily.

More clues here for those who need to reconsider.

I've never read it, but is it likes Baden Powell's best seller "Scouting for Boys"?

Maybe this will help?

Tony/Jack

Could you just pencil outline the format please? I was hoping to come Sat am, but a window of opportunity has arisen for some help with welding in the morning at least. In addition there are some domestic influences. So is much planned for sat?

I don't know whether to end up arriving late sat pm with cipher trailer & spend a cold night on the plain. Or enjoy creature comforts here & pop down in Wolf on Sunday. So if it is Sunday when do we meet & where are we going? Are there any particular routes planned or is it a general bimble about?

At this moment in time it is very quick. :dunno:

 

Yes I agree but this is in the morning of a weekday, everything is that much faster. Apart from sites themselves, on a non school holiday morning my broadband can be as fast as 5.9mbs but a weekend evening it can go down to half that.

So it's fairly ok for me but the new forum is always the slowest site I go to. Are there too many fancy bits bolted on now?

Clive - you can find all her details here:

 

http://www.householdcavalry.co.uk/gvo1092-29938b.htm

 

:-) :-) :-)

 

Neil, that looks rather posh are you going to be playing the drums then?

Richard, there's a funny little microswitch sort of thing that actually is clamped onto a gap on the choke cable itself with two Lucar terminals on it.

Well - hate to say this guys - but looks lke I've got to call off too. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

Final orders for the June Pageant arrived today and, having read them, I think there is too much work to do on the Stalwart to be able to take the time off.

Sorry every one - I was really looking forwards to this trip and meeting al the familiar and new faces - but needs must when the devil drives!! :schocked:

 

Neil, who is this Ms Pageant?

I seldom see these magazines now as I don't often go where there are big shops. But the last time I was in WHS I was spotted by someone I know as I flicked through CMV. They gave me a wink & a knowing look as CMV was placed between the Gay Times & Classic Bus. Now do I look as if I collect buses?

This could be very easily if you recognise the units or take a lot of working out if you don't!

1. What army does this relate to?

2. When?

Please have a go. Just so that Richard doesn't get this in one shot, I'll post the answers at the weekend.

Tyler do we really have to bring this sort of thing up? What do you want quotas or something? I come across people in the hobby & the public who I suppose, if one has to think about it - but why should I, who are from minority groups. So what, the're just ordinary people with an interest & that's it. Are you suggesting we have to mentally subdivide people into us & others then perform calculations about it?

In my last job towards the end I couldn't refer people to a hospital without filling out a whole page of nonsense about their origins, which made my blood boil, we are all just people, does everybody have to have a label. Let's forget about boundaries, it shouldn't make any difference. People are people & that's it & let's just get on with life.

This thing has been bugging me as well. I seem to get sidetracked over the German WW2 experiments, but since Clive mentioned this thing is dated the same year as Orange William, that has sent me Googling again and Eureka !!!!! I think I have cracked it.

 

Cannonball D-40

An anti tank guided missile, developed by Applied Physics Laboratory under a US Navy contract. It was spherical, about 24 inches diam., disadvantaged by weight at 300 pounds, also its radio control system was vulnerable to enemy countermeasures. Later versions were lightened and control altered.

 

Yes well done Richard it is indeed an Anti-Tank Guided Missile, obvious now isn'it! Although this is a US patent, somewhere I have a PRO document of a British spherical ATGM. I forgotten the name it was something like Green Grass/Cheese/Water. I know it was none of those but something similar.

Anyway here is the link that describes the missile in detail that I have been getting the pictures from & apologies to R.S.Rae for not including the name on the drawings. But I know you lot would have just googled that in & got to it that way. Although I did do that & google gets bogged down in Royal Aircraft Establisment.

BTW google-patents has quite a feast of the unusual & intriguing but it is restricted to US patents.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=TfROAAAAEBAJ&dq=anti+tank+guided+weapon

You and me both mate!!!!

 

Come on Clive - put us out of our misery!!!

 

Oh for goodness sake chaps pull yourselfs together, no that doesn't sound quite right. But the answer when it comes, will be pretty obvious & there will be some self-kicking & "Oh I should have thought of that".

Nothing along the lines of James Bond's jetpack from Thunderball?

 

Nope

Are items 350 in figure two significant, or are they just holding the tank in pace within the sphere?

They support the sphere prior to flight to stop it rolling around.

Maybe these spheres are not actually weapons, but an experiment on the mechanics of guided missiles, using gyroscopes and steerable thrust vanes.

But might it not be a weapon in its own right?

With the style of illustrations and typeface, I would suggest we are talking about 50-60 years ago.

Yes, spookily enough it was the same year that the requirement for Orange William was drawn up :shake:

& even more spookily my avatar on the left is an Orange William!

dammit Clive!!!

Why do you want to get some sleep tonight?

OK, are they detonators or something on the front? Is that why it needs to travel in a particular orientation, to keep them forward facing?

Not so much that but you might loose control if the openings below 260 & 112 don't face you.

Also pitch & yaw get lost making control difficult

Is it used against something on land or in the air?

something on the land

You say its about 2ft diameter, and its a weapon.

Does it rely purely on its speed and weight to cause destruction,

Nope

There does not appear to be any sort of payload...explosive or otherwise?

 

yes there is

Is the water cooling to make it stealthy...so the device has minimal heat signature?

No i don't think that was the primary reason

How about a target for anti aircraft training?

Nope

Looking at the diagram of the internals, I'm guessing its a two part propellant...one part being held in each end of the cylinder and fed through parts 181 and 207, the other being held in the central tank and fed directly into the pitch, yaw and roill jets?

There do not appear to be any control equipment, unless the valves (233) are pre-set and self correct the flight, or the controls have been perposely not shown?

Has anyone been even remotely close to what this is?

 

No not really, it is the shape that is confusing people.

Arrr it may not be designed too, but can it?

No idea, but Andrew you leading yourself up the garden path on this line of thinking. There are weapons system in service today that perform the role proposed for these jet powered balls.

Can it operate in space?

 

Was not designed to.

It's not a Golden Snitch is it :-D

Had to google that one, but nope

Bit more help here:

Yes Golden Yellow BSC 356. But the panels are not painted, they are vinyl. RAF Vocab No 32B/1489.