draganm

never heard of this model before, looks like a Churchill with 5 turrets? since it was originally designed in 1930 you have to wonder whop copied who on the wheels and running gear?

 

https://www.rt.com/in-motion/329611-t35-tank-recreation-russia/

there was a big rail mounted gun on tracks behind the museum, is it still there, must make a point go have a look

lets hope so, I think it's one of only 2 surviving Krupp K-5's left in the world.

 

From their perspective we are just a bunch of hooligans who should butt out and leave history to them. Please don't think that I have strong views on this but the above is a paraphrase of what I have actually been told on more than one occasion by employees of two significant museums in our field.

 

LOL, reminds me of more than one Monty Python skit of the puffed up bureaucrat who can't be bothered by the needs of the " little people".

 

To be fair to the Batterie Todt museum the tank was in a dreadfull condition. It had been in the sea for a very long time and the salt had got into the structure of the metal. As soon as it got into the open air it just started crumbling away and parts that had looked quite good initially turned to flaky rust. Even I had to admit that it couldn't be saved but why couldn't it have been offered to the open market ?

 

David

I've seen the same thing with Aircraft and other metal objects recovered from the Sea. The salt has made it's way into the pores or atomic structure of the metal. In the case of the Dornier they pulled out of the channel they actually built a tent over it and sprayed it with a solution ( mild citric acid? ) for months if not years to leach the Salt back out of it. IT's crazy expensive, Can't really blame someone for not doing it , especially if at the time the value of the vehicle is substantially less than the treatment. I know someones going to pipe up and say the historical value is more than that monetary but if your running a museum and it comes down to a rusty tank or laying people off your staff, well............

 

I think (hope) people today have a better understanding of what it really takes to recover something from a salty environment. If your going that route, rivers and swamps seem to be a much better bet.

looks like the sale did not go thru since Bulgaria (ministry of defense?) is listing 100 T-72's on Milweb.

 

Anyone planning to assault Wheatcroft's Panzer division , now's your chance .

 

100 units. T-72A tanks after major overhaul only for Military use.

By 'The Atlantic Wall Museum'?..... are we referring to the Batterie Todt one?.

to the best of my knowledge, yes

 

..When I last saw pictures of it ? it was extremely rusty and I do mean extremely rotted out and collapsing on itself rusty.... and I wouldn't have been surprised to hear that the salt water hd finally won and it had collapsed on itself?

Having said all that , the tank painted white in the picture does look to be in an awful lot better condition than the one that came out of the sand at Dunkirk so it may not be the same tank at all ..

well they might have throw some whitewash over all the rust. Eventually all that was left was a hollow shell made of paint, like an empty M&M candy

anyone know what happened to the Mk2 cruiser at the Atlantic wall museum? pic is from 2007

 

does anyone know all the tanks used in the "tank sandwich" monument Lebanon? I see some T55's, M113's, M47? a boatload of armored cars, a nice looking Sherman, and a pair of Cruiser tanks?

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/08/hope-for-peace-monument-in-yarze-lebanon.html

 

How is your German?

 

NVA manuals can be found relatively easily..

yup, 50 euros for one in German

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Betriebsanleitung-NVA-Mittlerer-Panzer-T-55-A-T55A-T-55A-Panzer-Tank-manual-1985-/361405193489?hash=item54256d9d11:m:mKoapyXXsUBj0BAoAk4M6Eg

 

maybe check with Frank in the US too, he seems to have some for the T62 , etc. in 2014 and might have stumbled across a T55 version by now

 

I've heard of US Military manuals for a number of russian tanks. We got one for the T62 and the BMP-1 but haven't found the one for the T55 yet. We recently heard from another tank owner here in the US that he had an english manual for the T55 but haven't seen anything yet....

One problem with the US manuals is that the writers were frequently not the operators and they are full of minor mistakes. One that makes me laugh is the US BMP-1 manual where it suggests opening the valve directly in front and to the right of the drivers seat to clear the water from the air system prior to starting. Only problem is that the valve is actually the drain for the coolant system. If the floor drain is open when you open the valve they're speaking of you can drain all the coolant in about 10 minutes or enough to ruin the engine in about 1. The manuals need to be checked over pretty carefully with an eye on the real vehicle prior to depending on them....

 

 

Frank

I don't have a gun or a cradle or shield for it either.

that would be a heck of a thing to find with only 650 vehicles made and 9 known survivors

 

the Wheatcroft collection seems to have acquired a nice Archer from Israel, maybe check with his sources and see if a gun/shield are available down there?

Does anyone know if an HL230 has been sourced for this project, or do do we have to wait for start of season 3 to find out?

 

I never told anyone it was a runner

sorry for mucking that up :red:

 

The torsion bars are broken not softened as we would push the wheels back down once offloaded.

I'm amazed you guys went thru all that trouble

 

Are brand new new reproduction torsion bars available now from Germany ?

Or, as it's a tv program, probably best not to assume anything in it is based too closely on fact!

awww now where's the fun in "facts"?

 

I feel like Mr. Compton's been pretty reliable in terms of things he said he was going to do on the show and things actually happening.

The Sdkz 11 flak they bought is S2 is in the shop now, despite some internet speculation it was bogus.

 

So I fully expect to see a Jagdpanther trundling around by the end of Season 3

looks ok, missing glass and bed. runs and drives . Asking $4K US (2700 pounds)

 

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5357287302.html

 

did this one suffer a massive fire? You would think any war damaged Torsion bars would have been replaced during the rebuild in France by AMX.

The Panzers I've scene in pics that had large enough fires to anneal the Torsion bars were also practically sitting on the hull, with the suspension completely collapsed. This one looks like it's sagging but it was good enough to be wheeled on and off a trailer.

Maybe just normal settling and sagging from age versus fire damage?

 

We'll probably have to wait till the show starts to find out. With Bruce referring to his Jagdpanther project last season on many occasions, My guess is they're doing this Panther and the remaining Weald foundation Jagdpanther range target at the same time?

either that or someone drug another Jagdpanther out of a river or swamp.

 

Should be a good season, hope they have more episodes and longer episodes with more hands on technical talk and welding, wrench turning, etc.

I've never worked on anything approaching the weight of an AFV, but at some point, say more 5 tons, do metal jack-stands even make sense?

Seems to me like heavy wood cribbing in a cross -stacked configuration is the way to go. I mean if you look at ocean going vessels in dry docs it's what they do there.

oops, right you all are.:red:

I've never had a chance to visit the show and it never occurred to me that the machine at the show was dragged or craned into place every year.

Looks like according to Axis FB page that whatever paint was on it for the shows was over painted in those red stripes for Fury opening scene?

 

2 million is actually not a bad price except for what appears to be a missing engine.

 

Will the proceeds to be used to get the Bergepanther restored/ running?

Is it not the one Rex normally has at W&P?

Edit: no, that's a completely restored runner, = wrong

 

this was a 2nd Panther according to a Mr. Steve Cobb on the AAM FB page.

 

Can't find any images of it in storage though, only of a BergePanther that they presumably still have?

 

ok, quick search shows Steve to be Rex Cadman's main resto guy, did an M10 Achilles on " salvage squad"

WOW, HOORAY, and all that Why can't it be April and S3 of combat dealers show, I would be perfectly happy to skip thru Jan, Feb, and March.

This doesn't look like a wreck but a complete Panther, any idea where it came from. I'm guessing France, national Mussee de blindes?

Bound for Australia, man those guys got quite the appetite for Armor

 

EDIT: FB says it came from Samur but was sold to AAAM by Cadman collection. No matter, I hope they really devote a lot of time to it on combat dealers.

 

 

an article from 2014 talked about them felling 1000 tree's to build the new, state of the art, SAS training facility there. Seems very unlikely that any range targets would have been left, unless it was tucked into some obscure, out of the way, corner. hopefully it's pulling gate-guard duty somewhere.

Isu 152?

yeah you'd think it being in Poland and all but i guess it's an M26 Pershing, you can see the missing spot for the M71 auxiliary scope on the right but the strut on the left, ( elevation mechanism or vertical stablizer?) had me stumped. At some point it was replaced by a straight piston, so this must be a very early model.

amazing what's out there. Gotta hand it to those old guys who squirreled this stuff away for decades because when they finally pass and the family auctions it off your getting a 70 year time capsule being opened and some really rare stuff popping up. One of those bikes is one only 8 made.

 

Just goes to prove, Hoarding isn't necessarily all bad

The auction in April should be fun to watch

looks like the guys at panzer farm in Poland just received a new AFV. You gotta envy these guys, they're the ones who recently pulled 2 German half-tracks out of a river. The work they do is beautiful though, really like the fact that they employed a conservator to save items that still have the majority of their original paint versus just stripping and re-painting.

Here's their new AFV that Santa bought, won't say what it is but posted a teaser pic, any guesses?

possibly the sorriest looking Diamond T ever , is it even a 53 model? (hood/grill looks wrong)

 

https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5348679936.html

 

Lights, front and back were different, for a start

I can't see a difference in lights other than on some models they added very small black-out lights and they painted all the chrome trim/bumpers in body color. Strictly looking at Plymouth P10's, 11's, etc.

 

My 1946 Cadillac Series 62 still has its Service Number stencilled under the hood and on service records on drivers door frame.

yeah it seems like all the authentic ones have a large metal plate , usually on the glove-box door or dash, stamped with the military registration codes and such.

 

Safe to assume there's a lot of fakes out there?

yea, sadly a fantasy model, books show only ford, Chevrolet , and Plymouth 4 doors issued... did they expect a general to wait while you tipped the seat forward?.... I don't think so !.....LOL

assuming you do have a Chevy or Plymouth 4 door, lets say a 1941 Plymouth special deluxe, how can you tell if it was ever a military staff car?

 

I'm pretty sure this one is the same:

 

It is located in the Brander forest near Aachen, Germany.

any idea why they're out there? Doesn't look like they were ever range targets, and it's post war equipment.

 

Are they still there? Hopefully not cut up and scrapped like the German Churchills and Conquerors

obviously a conspiracy by Polish government to hide all the gold :-D