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  1. Roger, I seem to be "doing it wrong" when it comes to sending you a PM. Please feel free to PM me if you'd like to converse offline. Progress on my CAD model. Mark
  2. Roger, I was just looking through the 1934 Air Ministry "Kidbrooke" plans for their 1914 Pattern RR ACs and noticed that they also show the angle irons used to attach the body to the frame, although by that time they had made a few alterations, including knocking off the sharp corners that protruded into the fighting compartment, welding on brackets to mount a seat (originally there was just a cushion on the floor), and adding an intermediate angle iron bracket. While looking at the Kidbrooke plans, I thought I'd have a go at reconstructing the turret in CAD. I found that the geome
  3. Hello Roger, I am sorry to hear about the family tragedy and wish the best to you and yours. I checked my profile in the HMVF and see that you just viewed my message. Hopefully we can establish more direct contact via email shortly. With regards to the application of paint, it could have been sprayed or brushed at that time, but I would expect that the Army's color at least was more likely brushed on. As a 1914 Pattern RR AC the bare chassis would have first been painted as per typical civilian standards for Rolls-Royce at that time. When the armor was then added the who
  4. Roger, Did you receive my PM? Also, In my previous posting I mentioned that some research had been made into the records of A.F. Craig of Paisley, one of the original builders, looking for plans for the Rolls-Royce Armoured Car. Just to clarify, that research was done at the University of Glasgow. According to the National Archives database, additional A.F. Craig company records also exist at the Paisley Museum, at the Summerlee Heritage Center and at the Bradford Industrial Museum. I am not aware of any research having been done at these archives. Mark
  5. Roger, It is possible that the armor plate was provided as a flat-pack to the erectors who then assembled it on their own. It makes sense that there would have been some sort of instructions provided to the erectors for the bodywork, but I have not seen it. There was some variation in the 1914 Pattern cars which may be the result of differing approaches among the erectors. There was a war on and things were being rushed, initially at least. The following are companies I have seen associated with the construction of RR ACs in WWI: There has been some RR AC research int
  6. Hello all, There is an original 1914 Pattern Rolls Royce armoured car in Ahmednagar India. It is in a very sorry condition. It's wire wheels were swapped for NAP wheels when in service in the 1920s. Rumor has it that this car was measured and a replica based on these measurements was started in Australia some years ago, but the replica was lost in the transfer of a business. I don't know if this is the same Australian replica mentioned in the thread above, but I would like to find these measurements as they are the only ones known to exist of an actual 1914 Pattern car and I am no
  7. Hello, First let me say, wonderful replica! The photos of Bovington's 1920 Pattern Rolls-Royce interior are great, but the hardware varied a bit from that of the 1914 Pattern Rolls-Royce, which also varied somewhat from the Lanchester. Here is a circa 1915 photo of the interior of a Lanchester. The RAF Museum's "Hayward Collection" on Flickr is worth a visit. Here is a link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/royalairforcemuseum/albums/72157629782125096 Sincerely, Mark
  8. Runflat, What you are saying then is that the "M" in Middlesex County Council's "MH" prefix for civilian registration plates is purly coincidental to the army's separate numbering system (which for a period in the 1920s was prefixed "M" on armoured cars). Presumably then Middlesex had exhausted its single letter prefix "H" sometime after the 1920 Pattern cars were registered and had moved on to two letter prefixes, which included "MH", by the time the 1924 Pattern cars were registered. Thank you for clearing this up. MarkV
  9. Hello, There are definitely "M" labeled armoured cars that are post-1919. Here are several 1920 Pattern Rolls Royce armoured cars: and Bovington's 1920 Pattern Car: "M" numbers are also seen on the subsequent 1924 Pattern Rolls Royce armoured cars as well: "F" prefix Rolls Royce armoured cars have so far only shown up in the North Irish Horse, a unit operating 1920 Pattern cars in North Ireland in 1940 or 41. I have yet to find a "T" prefix Rolls Royce armoured car, however, there is one photo of a 1914 Pattern RR armoured car, taken in 1920 or later, in C
  10. Hello, With all of this fascinating information coming to light regarding the various vehicle identifying systems, I have some questions: When did the prefix denoting armoured cars switch from "T" to "F"? Also - I have seen quite a few photos of armoured cars, apparantly taken during the 1920's, in which the cars have "M" prefixes. How does this fit in if "T" prefixes came into use in 1919, then "F" prefixes after that? When did armoured cars begin to receive civilian style registration plates? When they did received them, were they always Middlesex "H" plates? During the
  11. Hello again, So if a vehicle was transferred from, say, the Western Front to Mesopotamia, would it have kept its number, but changed its letter prefix from "M" to "L"? MarkV
  12. Alan, Is that "Bulford" as in Bulford camp? Also, does "NZ" imply that the vehicle was opereated by a New Zealand unit or that the vehicle itself was in New Zealand? MarkV
  13. Hello, Here is a link to a bit of information regarding the possible significance of the broad arrow on the vehicles: Broad Arrow (This was mentioned by another member on the Landships forum.) MarkV
  14. Thank you all for your very informative replies! Alan, Your response clears up quite a few issues. I have come across Bart Vanderveen's name several times in my research. I wonder what has become of his files... Steve, I do not know much about the colours. I have come across one postcard image of armoured cars in Greece that is colourized. Of course these colourized postcards were made from black & white photos to which colour was added at a later date, by a different person, in a different country - so they are by no means the final word on the
  15. Steve, Thank you for your reply. I am working with a few other interested folks to compile a listing of all of the Rolls Royce armoured cars and Rolls Royce tenders from this period. These "M^" and "LC^" numbers are often the only distinguishing features between cars that can be easily seen in the historic photographs. So far I have not come across an "L^" numbered Rolls Royce. They all seem to be either "M^" or "LC^". Cars that were photographed in Egypt, Palestine, Mesopotamia (Iraq), and even Greece are seen with the "LC^" numbers. Of course some of the "LC^" numbered c
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